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ultra · 03-07-2014, 02:09 PM

They need to get the new WRX engine into the twins like...yesterday.

It's the same general architecture and any packaging issues and such with that engine can't possibly insurmountable. Plus they get economies of scale by sharing the engine across both platforms.

No brainer really.

raven1231 · 03-07-2014, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ultra

They need to get the new WRX engine into the twins like...yesterday.

It's the same general architecture and any packaging issues and such with that engine can't possibly insurmountable. Plus they get economies of scale by sharing the engine across both platforms.

No brainer really.

but then it would cost 35k most likely

ultra · 03-07-2014, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by raven1231

but then it would cost 35k most likely

The WRX doesn't, does it?

mav1178 · 03-07-2014, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Diode Dynamics

Well, Alex I'm not sure if that includes that 200SX's in the UK and Silvia's in Japan. But those first year sales of the S13 were incredible (68K units) IIRC

Found on Wikipedia (same info I've had for many years):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_..._United_States

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1989 - 68118
1990 - 60582
1991 - 34534
1992 - 27033
1993 - 21471
1994 - 1391
1995 - 25114
1996 - 7334
1997 - 3655
1998 - 2178

Notice how the redesign for twin cam engine in 1991 netted a 25k DECREASE.

No guarantee that a refreshed FRS/BRZ will result in an increase in sales!

-alex

raven1231 · 03-07-2014, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ultra

The WRX doesn't, does it?

I was thinking STI for some reason lol

RRnold · 03-07-2014, 02:33 PM

Thanks for the update Go!

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say the changes will be minor.

-Front and rear fascia changes
-Maybe BHLH
-Interior changes
Gauge color changes
-Release Series
Retire some colors and introduce newer colors; hopefully a nice yellow.

ichitaka05 · 03-07-2014, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RRnold

Thanks for the update Go!

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say the changes will be minor.

-Front and rear fascia changes
-Maybe BHLH
-Interior changes
Gauge color changes
-Release Series
Retire some colors and introduce newer colors; hopefully a nice yellow.

New color would be cool to see!

FRSure · 03-07-2014, 02:37 PM

Realistically , I think 20hp, and 15 more tq is fine.

and maybe shed 100lb.

It'll be cool if they replace the speedometer with a fuel temperature gauge and other fancy toys.

GT86drifter · 03-07-2014, 02:37 PM

need ITBS and rev to 11K and 250HP

OICU812 · 03-07-2014, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus808

how about speculation on price? think it will keep getting more expensive as it keeps getting refreshed?

wondering since i'm waiting to buy one

But that is like a zillion people all thinking there is going to be some major change, best to just do it now...

thill · 03-07-2014, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ultra

The WRX doesn't, does it?

Well it depends on the model

Once you start loading the WRX (non-STI) with goodies it easily hits $32K.

A turbo Limited BRZ would easily hit $32K I suspect. I am sure they would have to modify the FA20 in the WRX to fit the BRZ, and then there is a host of other changes you would most liklely have to make to support the additional horsepower and torque and still maintain the warranty.

I really think Subaru and Toyota should just offer this motor even if it moves the price in the $30K+ range loaded MSRP. For one reason it will silence critics. For another reason there are many people that want a factory turbo and a warranty and would be willing to pay for it.

Winner winner chicken dinner.

ichitaka05 · 03-07-2014, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FRSure

and maybe shed 100lb.

It'll be cool if they replace the speedometer with a fuel temperature gauge and other fancy toys.

Shedding weight & other gauges instead of speedometer have been discussed between Moto-san & Tada-san. Tada-san like the different gauge idea... Question is, is it possible to upgrade w current model

FRSure · 03-07-2014, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Shedding weight & other gauges instead of speedometer have been discussed between Moto-san & Tada-san. Tada-san like the different gauge idea... Question is, is it possible to upgrade w current model

Maybe replace it with a LCD screen. I'm sure it won't be expensive if its mass produced. Tells oil temp, water temp, battery voltage.
All in 1.

ichitaka05 · 03-07-2014, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FRSure

Maybe replace it with a LCD screen. I'm sure it won't be expensive if its mass produced. Tells oil temp, water temp, battery voltage.
All in 1.

That would be cool... I can dream right?

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