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04-05-2010, 04:45 PM | #29 | |
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That's the idea though. The NA car should be low $20k. I'm not paying for less than 200hp. It could be the drive of a lifetime. It better have at least 200hp (+/- 5hp), and there is no way you are going to turbo such a car and get only 230hp, even with radically lower compression and revs. I see an NA version at about $23k, Turbo at about $27k and the stripped down track version at just under $22k, probably with stiffer suspension and the brakes from off the turbo version. Honestly, I wouldn't pay more than $24k for 230hp, unless the car weighed as much as an atom (which the ft-86 won't) and at that price, the NA version would have to come in at under $19k, which it won't. |
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At 170hp the NA would cost around $20k-21k. At 230hp it would cost around $23k-24k. Pretty reasonable to me. |
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Definitely going to be disappointed if the NA version is indeed just 170hp... Was hoping for 200hp NA, 250+ for turbo but I guess we need to wait for official specs to be announced before getting too judgemental...
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Oh~ gotcha!
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I'm not worried. 170hp NA FT-86/Celica GT and a 230hp Turbo GT-S still leaves room for a 275+hp TRD model a couple years down the line for the mid cycle refresh.
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I don't care how much this thing is going to cost, i'm buying one the second it comes out.
You can't nit-pick a few grand on a car that's already going to probably outperform anything in it's price bracket. |
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for example: MR2 turbo. stock usdm is 200hp, roughly 160whp. that's running at 10psi. the stock turbo, engine, and fuel system can easily handle 14-15psi, all day every day. it's been documented MANY MANY times that on the 3SGTE running a stock setup, 14-15psi is right around 200whp, a gain of 40whp with no other mods, only a $40 ball-and-spring boost controller. add intake, full exhaust including downpipe, and you're talking 220whp or so. 60whp more than stock. take into account 20% drivetrain loss (200-160)/200, so WHP = BHP * .8, divide 220whp by .8, and you get 275bhp. so roughly an increase of 75bhp over stock with easily under $1000 invested. here are some examples if you don't believe me: http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/mr2reco...no/jray218.jpg http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/mr2records/dyno/dpappa.jpg compared to stock: http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/mr2reco...pranadi164.jpg -Mike
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I'd rather a 200hp NA, 270hp Turbo leave room for a 350+hp TRD version. |
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IF they made TRD Turbo ver (which my guess on TRD ver is NA) I think it'll be bout 300hp (240hp for NA TRD ver)... but it'll be crazy/awesome to see if they did 350+hp TRD Turbo ver.
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lol. TBH I don't expect to see a factory 350hp version. I think it'd be closer to 320 or something like that. It would be crazy to see, but that would come quicker form the subbie side of the equation or maybe a company like Cosworth, Top Secret, Mines or JUN. |
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i plan on an n/a version anyway, so no boost controllers or anything for me! maybe an exhaust, but that's about it as far as engine mods go. i don't have any big desire to DD a turbo car, heh. :happy0180: -Mike
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