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06-01-2011, 10:55 AM | #1 |
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Report: Subaru Coupe STI Model Possible, But Without Turbo
TOKYO -- Subaru will display the production version of the long-awaited sporty car it is co-developing with Toyota at the Tokyo Motor Show in December.
The rear-wheel-drive car, which has a Subaru-designed drivetrain and Toyota-styled body, goes on sale next year. Toyota will sell its version as a Scion in the United States. Subaru expects a longer-than-average life cycle for the car and is looking at variant packages, including a possible STI version, to keep the offering fresh, says Toshio Masuda, a Subaru senior general manager of product planning. Subaru's STI tuner package typically offers turbocharging, lower profile tires, more powerful brakes and sport-tuned suspension. But going turbo is doubtful: Subaru officials say the vehicle's original concept calls for keeping the engine naturally aspirated. The car will be built on a new line at Subaru's plant in Gumma, Japan. Styling will draw from Toyota FT-86 concepts that have made the auto show rounds since 2009. Power is expected to come from a new generation 2.0-liter, four-cylinder boxer engine that will be used in the redesigned Subaru Impreza arriving this fall. But the engine will be positioned nearly 5 inches lower than in the Impreza to bring down the car's center of gravity and improve handling. The car also will have Toyota's D-4S fuel injection system. And unlike the new Impreza, which gets an option for a continuously variable transmission, the sporty car will get a manual or automatic. Subaru hasn't officially commented on the price. But Japan's Nikkan Kogyo business daily said the company plans to price the car in the $20,000 range. Source: Autonews (subscription required) |
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Thanks for the news. If the WRX STI has a $9-10k price premium over the standard WRX could we expect something similar with this? Or would it be less than that?
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Scion TRD or Subaru STi? Pick and choose.
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$9-10k premium for a STI version that doesn't have turbo bits attached to it doesn't make sense to me. $3-5k would be more reasonable
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that must be where the super massive spoiler comes in
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Oh no, here goes the NA/turbo chat again...
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Simple. Slap a bored-out 2.5L version of the same engine in it. If they can achieve 200hp from 2.0L, they can achieve 250hp from 2.5L.
I think I like the sound of that even more than a turbo variant. Better engine sounds and it's above my threshold for acceptable power. Combined with the very small frontal area and what will likely be a good coefficient of drag, 250hp can actually achieve quite good high speed performance. |
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Just for the reason that's it's a Scion, I'm going Subaru all the way! At this point, I can care less that's not turbo'd, I'm just happy there is going to be a Subaru version, hopefully going to the US too.
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well they can't call it an STi unless its got some serious power behind it. STi is not some damn appearance package.
so if a turbo is ruled out, then an FB25 w/ D4S seems like the most logical choice. i doubt an H6 would fit under there... EDIT: or this rumor is BS, like 95% of the garbage that gets spewed out about the toyobaru. Last edited by dilly-o; 06-01-2011 at 02:21 PM. |
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I would pay low 30k for a version of the car that still weighed ~2750lbs, with 250hp, brembos, a REALLY good rear diff, some aero work, visual niceties, and an even more performance oriented suspension. Toss some excellent summer-only rubber into the package (Pilot Sport 2s please!) and I will throw my money at them.
Assuming the rest of the car is still good, of course. Hell, Toyota knows how to do a good launch control system. Throw that in there too. Then copy the "synchro rev match" system from Nissan. Good fixed HID lights would be a must as well at that price point. |
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