Would you prefer that the FRS had a "real" engine? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

NOHOME · 07-02-2015, 04:39 PM

Reading a thread on the GRM board on FRS ownership. While the joys of driving are unanimous, the lack of love for the boxer is pretty strong from those that own the car.

So, I thought to bring the question over to FRS central...Would you prefer that the Twins had a non-boxter engine?

My unjustified opinion after 3 years is that I wont ever buy another car with a Subaru engine. Not that it has done me bad, but I just dont like it and time is not making me any fonder.

And before anyone spews chapter and verse from The Book of Subaru about CG being ruined: don't bother because unless you move the engine to the roof, the difference would not be noticeable.

billyk · 07-02-2015, 04:51 PM

"Real" engine??
"Non-Boxter"??

Can't speak for others, but I love this engine.

DAEMANO · 07-02-2015, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOHOME

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And before anyone spews chapter and verse from The Book of Subaru about CG being ruined: don't bother because unless you move the engine to the roof, the difference would not be noticeable.

I be trollin', they be hatin'

WhiteFRS69 · 07-02-2015, 04:54 PM

OP doesnt like it cause it doesnt have a turbo most likely

Tcoat · 07-02-2015, 05:04 PM

The engine works, it moves the car along fine (for my needs), I have had no problems and overall it is an engine. Don't really care who makes it as long as it gets the job done.
Plenty of guys have proven you can wring loads of power out of it that is what you want so not sure what defines a "real" engine anyway.

Bristecom · 07-02-2015, 05:06 PM

It's not just the lower CoG. Because it is physically lower, the front hood is lower which allows you to see better. It is also better balanced so it doesn't need a balance shaft or heavy counterweights. And one of my favorite features is having the oil filter on top for super clean and easy oil changes. Overall, it is my favorite engine design but I just wish they would increase the displacement a bit to 2.3-2.4 to improve power. If this car did not have a boxer engine, it wouldn't be as special to me.

quasi86 · 07-02-2015, 05:09 PM

100hp per litre! That's sounds real enough to me.

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F3RGY68 · 07-02-2015, 05:17 PM

The first time I test drove one, I told the dealership I was looking at other cars because I'm not a fan of boxers. I looked past it, and now that I own one, it's become apparent the reasons it was utilized. In the world of new cars, this engine is really easy to work on for the average joe. I'm not going to spew the spacial and performance benefits listed everywhere.

I don't know why you wouldn't consider it a real engine...? Porsche thinks boxers are good enough to use. There's also a flat-six in the Lykan Hypersport.

I would like to see you own a rotary for a few months and report back.

drewbot · 07-02-2015, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOHOME

My unjustified opinion after 3 years is that I wont ever buy another car with a Subaru engine. Not that it has done me bad, but I just dont like it and time is not making me any fonder.

You say you don't like it, but provide no reason?

funwheeldrive · 07-02-2015, 05:20 PM

I wish it was an inline-4 only because it would be easier work on.

I also wish it sounded like a boxer from the factory.

extrashaky · 07-02-2015, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOHOME

So, I thought to bring the question over to FRS central...Would you prefer that the Twins had a non-boxter engine?

No.

This car has a ridiculously low center of gravity, one of the lowest of any production car if not THE lowest. It feels planted. The flat engine contributes to that. It makes plenty of power for the weight of the vehicle while not shifting the engine's mass around above the wheels. It would be difficult to get a better balance.

If you want a car with more power sitting up higher above the wheels, you have plenty of choices. Go buy one of those and quit whining about this one.

REAV3R · 07-02-2015, 05:30 PM

I've always been a big fan of Subaru. I like the sounds they make compared to their inline 4 competitors. I came from the FWD-Turbo camp of the SRT4 world and though it was a very fun car and it made all the right noises and lots of torque, I never really fell in love with it. Two of the best Japanese automakers, both known for quality and reliability, came together to build this great platform. I've never owned a Subaru or a Toyota before this car, but I absolutely love it. The styling is spot on and with a new header and a few minor mods, that boxer rumble comes out and sounds beastly. I am VERY glad it has a Subaru heart. An inline 4 would just make it sound like all the other modded Civics, Cobalts, Coups, etc. This boxer gives it much more personality, in my humblest of opinions.

frsvr4 · 07-02-2015, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOHOME

And before anyone spews chapter and verse from The Book of Subaru about CG being ruined: don't bother because unless you move the engine to the roof, the difference would not be noticeable.

Did you do the math to arrive at this conclusion or is it a guess? I'll help you get started: a 4G63 is ~275 lbs.

And define noticeable. Noticeable to your ass or noticeable in lap times?

Kimsey47 · 07-02-2015, 05:35 PM

http://media.subaru.com/newsrelease....27s-10&mid=175

Seems to be well liked last time I heard...

07-02-2015, 04:39 PM	#1
NOHOME Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: RAVEN Location: LONDON ONTARIO Posts: 787 Thanks: 86 Thanked 786 Times in 341 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Would you prefer that the FRS had a "real" engine? Reading a thread on the GRM board on FRS ownership. While the joys of driving are unanimous, the lack of love for the boxer is pretty strong from those that own the car. So, I thought to bring the question over to FRS central...Would you prefer that the Twins had a non-boxter engine? My unjustified opinion after 3 years is that I wont ever buy another car with a Subaru engine. Not that it has done me bad, but I just dont like it and time is not making me any fonder. And before anyone spews chapter and verse from The Book of Subaru about CG being ruined: don't bother because unless you move the engine to the roof, the difference would not be noticeable.

07-02-2015, 05:04 PM	#5
Tcoat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Drives: 2020 Hakone Location: London, Ont Posts: 69,845 Thanks: 61,656 Thanked 108,283 Times in 46,456 Posts Mentioned: 2495 Post(s) Tagged: 50 Thread(s)	The engine works, it moves the car along fine (for my needs), I have had no problems and overall it is an engine. Don't really care who makes it as long as it gets the job done. Plenty of guys have proven you can wring loads of power out of it that is what you want so not sure what defines a "real" engine anyway. __________________ Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar, because Racecar.

07-02-2015, 05:09 PM	#7
quasi86 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S m/t Raven Location: St Peters, MO Posts: 142 Thanks: 71 Thanked 55 Times in 36 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	100hp per litre! That's sounds real enough to me. Sent from my HTCONE using Tapatalk __________________ Everyone, Including The Office Girls And Ladies, Came To See This Come Off The Truck For The Very First Time!

07-02-2015, 05:30 PM	#12
REAV3R Former Boost Junkie Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: Ultramarine FR-S Location: Schofield Barracks Posts: 119 Thanks: 119 Thanked 64 Times in 39 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I've always been a big fan of Subaru. I like the sounds they make compared to their inline 4 competitors. I came from the FWD-Turbo camp of the SRT4 world and though it was a very fun car and it made all the right noises and lots of torque, I never really fell in love with it. Two of the best Japanese automakers, both known for quality and reliability, came together to build this great platform. I've never owned a Subaru or a Toyota before this car, but I absolutely love it. The styling is spot on and with a new header and a few minor mods, that boxer rumble comes out and sounds beastly. I am VERY glad it has a Subaru heart. An inline 4 would just make it sound like all the other modded Civics, Cobalts, Coups, etc. This boxer gives it much more personality, in my humblest of opinions. __________________ "Asking the front wheels of a car to do their normal job of steering while handling more than 170hp is like asking a man to wire a plug while juggling... penguins... while making love... to a beautiful woman while on fire, on stage... in front of the Queen. It's all going to go wrong." ~ J.Clarkson

07-02-2015, 05:35 PM	#14
Kimsey47 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: 2016 STI DGM Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 1,875 Thanks: 1,189 Thanked 1,460 Times in 662 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	http://media.subaru.com/newsrelease....27s-10&mid=175 Seems to be well liked last time I heard... __________________ Subaru STI :

07-02-2015, 04:51 PM	#2
billyk Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Drives: 2014 Argento FR-S Location: MD Posts: 273 Thanks: 134 Thanked 190 Times in 83 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	"Real" engine?? "Non-Boxter"?? Can't speak for others, but I love this engine.

07-02-2015, 04:54 PM	#4
WhiteFRS69 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: 2014 Scion FRS Location: NNJ Posts: 2,289 Thanks: 1,808 Thanked 1,432 Times in 756 Posts Mentioned: 30 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	OP doesnt like it cause it doesnt have a turbo most likely

07-02-2015, 05:17 PM	#8
F3RGY68 Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Drives: FR-S 10 Series MT, Honda 919 Location: NC, United States Posts: 73 Thanks: 13 Thanked 53 Times in 21 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The first time I test drove one, I told the dealership I was looking at other cars because I'm not a fan of boxers. I looked past it, and now that I own one, it's become apparent the reasons it was utilized. In the world of new cars, this engine is really easy to work on for the average joe. I'm not going to spew the spacial and performance benefits listed everywhere. I don't know why you wouldn't consider it a real engine...? Porsche thinks boxers are good enough to use. There's also a flat-six in the Lykan Hypersport. I would like to see you own a rotary for a few months and report back.

07-02-2015, 05:20 PM	#10
funwheeldrive Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Drives: BANNED FOR TELLING THE TRUTH Location: MODS ARE ON A POWER TRIP Posts: 3,447 Thanks: 7,830 Thanked 3,022 Times in 1,409 Posts Mentioned: 38 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I wish it was an inline-4 only because it would be easier work on. I also wish it sounded like a boxer from the factory.

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