What attributes should Toyota and Subaru retain in the Second Generation FT-86 (aka

[Lantanafrs2]

As far as power is concerned, I dont see how they'll do it. Tada doesn't want forced induction and the fa20 is Subarus strongest na motor. No way they develop a new motor for this car. Maybe an anecdotal increase somehow? Imo they would just let the 86 taper down to nothing before making a big r&d commitment to it

[Red-86]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Tada doesn't want forced induction and the fa20 is Subarus strongest na motor. No way they develop a new motor for this car. Maybe an anecdotal increase somehow?

They have other engines that could be used. One rumour is the FA24 2.4L used in other Subaru models. There is absolutely no reason they can’t take the turbo off that, and tune it with a high redline for the next 86, just as they did for the FA20. Assuming they get close to 100HP per L the FA24 could even make around 230-240HP (again, some rumours are it may be around 225HP). There is no need to develop an entirely new engine, it is almost guaranteed to be one of Subi’s existing boxer 4s.

[Lantanafrs2]

That motor was designed for a turbo. It might be torquier though and that would help

[subaru]

Originally Posted by Red-86

What gives you that impression? They may well decide to stick with the existing platform if they are satisfied with incremental improvement at minimum development cost.

Changing to another platform entirely only seems necessary if they decide to go turbo or perhaps hybrid, as supposedly the existing platform isn’t ideal for it (aftermarket FI mods notwithstanding).

Personally, my biggest fear is they may hybridize it or load it with other tech that adds weight, complexity and cost. I really hope they keep it as a normal ICE with nothing unnecessary.

I am pretty sure they made an official announcement about it. I was sad, but let's see what they come up with. I think the center of gravity remaining low+keeping weight down are top factors.

[Bowl Full of Crazy]

Originally Posted by Red-86

What gives you that impression? They may well decide to stick with the existing platform if they are satisfied with incremental improvement at minimum development cost.

Changing to another platform entirely only seems necessary if they decide to go turbo or perhaps hybrid, as supposedly the existing platform isn’t ideal for it (aftermarket FI mods notwithstanding).

Personally, my biggest fear is they may hybridize it or load it with other tech that adds weight, complexity and cost. I really hope they keep it as a normal ICE with nothing unnecessary.

You might be right. The reference to the TNGA platform is just based on what I read in several articles -- still all rumored possibilities. And, I sympathize with your fear. I expressed a similar fear. I think that they need to stick with the formula that made the BRZ a pure driver's car.

If I spin the wheel and choose a vowel, here's my logic. I read that a Toyota executive stated that they have a high benchmark for the next generation. This makes sense -- they should. The sales are declining and, if they just do a minor refresh, it would not help the sales numbers materially. So, the move to a TNGA platform could make sense, if the hype is to be believed (e.g., stiffer chassis, low center of gravity, etc.). Subaru's new architecture won't accommodate rear-wheel drive, so the Toyota platform is the only option if they want to push the envelope on improving handling (versus sticking with existing platform and standing still). And a move to the FA24 motor would help with the main criticism of the car -- power. Both the TNGA platform and FA24 are largely developed already, so it keeps costs down in relative terms.

My two cents (worth, at best, a penny)...

[dowroa]

The TNGA platform yields cars with incredibly high side proportions, right?

One of the best things I like about the BRZ is the small coupe look along with the pretty good proportions.

The increasing belt lines of cars is... not desirable.

How does this platform help lower the center of gravity relative to the current BRZs platform?

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[Bowl Full of Crazy]

Originally Posted by dowroa

The TNGA platform yields cars with incredibly high side proportions, right?

One of the best things I like about the BRZ is the small coupe look along with the pretty good proportions.

The increasing belt lines of cars is... not desirable.

How does this platform help lower the center of gravity relative to the current BRZs platform?

I'm a layman, at best. As I mentioned, I'll preface this by saying, again, that my two cents is worth a penny. I can only relay what I've read. I'm not sure that the TNGA platform would lower the center of gravity relative to the current BRZ platform; however, I've read that it's architecture would allow for a low placement of motor/powertrain (similar to current architecture). So, presumably it might be able to replicate the same low center of gravity while increasing chassis rigidity.

I agree with you about the coupe look -- it's a sweet design and I hope they keep that basic scheme intact in the new generation.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by subaru

I am pretty sure they made an official announcement about it. I was sad, but let's see what they come up with. I think the center of gravity remaining low+keeping weight down are top factors.

They have made zero announcements beyond "we are going to make one". The platform, engine, styling, etc, "announcements" were the clickbait "press" making shit up and the rest running with it and adding their own crap to the pile. These are the same sites that said we were 100% guaranteed by their insiders to see the concept at the Tokyo show. Does anybody have any pics of this 100% guaranteed reveal? Any Toyota/Subaru press releases to share? No?
The internet is rife with speculation, theories and just pure made up to get clicks bullshit. Don't fall for it.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Bowl Full of Crazy

You might be right. The reference to the TNGA platform is just based on what I read in several articles -- still all rumored possibilities. And, I sympathize with your fear. I expressed a similar fear. I think that they need to stick with the formula that made the BRZ a pure driver's car.

If I spin the wheel and choose a vowel, here's my logic. I read that a Toyota executive stated that they have a high benchmark for the next generation. This makes sense -- they should. The sales are declining and, if they just do a minor refresh, it would not help the sales numbers materially. So, the move to a TNGA platform could make sense, if the hype is to be believed (e.g., stiffer chassis, low center of gravity, etc.). Subaru's new architecture won't accommodate rear-wheel drive, so the Toyota platform is the only option if they want to push the envelope on improving handling (versus sticking with existing platform and standing still). And a move to the FA24 motor would help with the main criticism of the car -- power. Both the TNGA platform and FA24 are largely developed already, so it keeps costs down in relative terms.

My two cents (worth, at best, a penny)...

They don't give two shits about sales numbers for these cars. It isn't a profit builder like a Corolla. Never was intended to be and they have said that outright. They plan what they make and the they sell all that they build and are happy with that plan.

Why the hell would the Subaru AWD platform (it isn't a fixed "chassis") not work for RWD but the Toyota FWD one would?

The new Subie platform will be used for the smallest of their cars right up to the largest and is fully adaptable for all of them. It would be nothing to adapt it to RWD. The Toyota one would take major surgery and not be compatible with the Subaru assembly process.

[Red-86]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The Toyota one would take major surgery and not be compatible with the Subaru assembly process.

Also, TNGA with a Subaru boxer engine doesn't sound easily compatible. If they were going to use a Toyota inline 4, TNGA might make sense. If they are sticking with a Subi engine, I expect it will go into the existing platform or a modified version of the new Impreza one, as with the original 86.

I really don't think they need to change much in terms of the platform. No-one has criticised the current platform, it is still ahead of the pack (maybe it could benefit from some extra stiffness). Power/torque, interior refinement, styling tweaks, these are the areas with room for improvement.

[Mr Breeze]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

That list is well intentioned but ridiculous. Why no turbo?

I would gladly trade a turbo for individual throttle bodies on the FA24 instead.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Mr Breeze

I would gladly trade a turbo for individual throttle bodies on the FA24 instead.

With like two gas pedals?

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[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by Mr Breeze

I would gladly trade a turbo for individual throttle bodies on the FA24 instead.

You'll see the platform electrified before you see itbs

[soundman98]

I'd like to see the new vehicle have 4 wheels, and generally some suspension of some sort.

Oh, and if one pair of wheels could turn to change the direction of travel, that would be swell.