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Old 06-02-2013, 08:54 PM   #701
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Welp unless I can order by June 21st and see performance info/stats im gonna get the vortech kit
It'll be worth the wait, even if its this time next year. Or the year after that. Which I'm absolutely fine with R&D taking that long if it means its going to be that more reliable once its released to the public.
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Not sure if anyone else posted it but I see innovate has a new video on youtube. Nothing great but shows its running and its still being worked on. Looks like its current setup has a 75mm pulley. Sounds good.


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Not sure if anyone else posted it but I see innovate has a new video on youtube. Nothing great but shows its running and its still being worked on. Looks like its current setup has a 75mm pulley. Sounds good.

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this is dependent

1 ... so you essentially ride the tq hump. if you shift at pk tq and you have rpms to go you will land further away from peak tq in the next gear.

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3 ...you should shift later because of work over time.

4 tq is different in every gear, the amount of tq going to the wheels is going to be greater at the top of second gear than at peak tq in third gear even if the tq falls off 20 - 30 ft-lbs. thats just how power is translated to the ground through the transmission
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You want to shift at the point where either:
1. Torque has dropped off to the point that the torque at the current engine speed multiplied by the current gear ratio drops below the torque at the engine speed you would be at if you shifted multiplied by the (lower) gear ratio

That is, let's say we have Torque (T) and gear ratio (R) and we're shifting from 2nd to 3rd. When T2*R2=T3*R3, shift. If you shift too soon, you're giving up mechanical advantage of being in the lower gear (higher ratio).

2. You hit the rev limiter and must shift to continue to accelerate.


I have been wanting to mention all of those things especially the effect of gear ratio.


Back on topic.... Any news on a firm release date yet? And If we are on E85 will be be able to buy the larger pully and a base map with the stg1 kit?????
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I have been wanting to mention all of those things especially the effect of gear ratio.


Back on topic.... Any news on a firm release date yet? And If we are on E85 will be be able to buy the larger pully and a base map with the stg1 kit?????
FYI...larger pulley actually reduces the boost. I assume you want a smaller pulley?
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I have been wanting to mention all of those things especially the effect of gear ratio.


Back on topic.... Any news on a firm release date yet? And If we are on E85 will be be able to buy the larger pulley and a base map with the stg1 kit?????
Not quite yet. There will only be a canned tune from us for 91 octane fuel. Various 3rd party tuners will be able to supply other options, so you will be able to have any tuner you are comfortable with build you whatever you would like.
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Not quite yet. There will only be a canned tune from us for 91 octane fuel. Various 3rd party tuners will be able to supply other options, so you will be able to have any tuner you are comfortable with build you whatever you would like.
I do my own tuning via BRZedit. Just wanted to see if there was a baseline tune I could run on to get to the dyno to get a starting point / baseline pull.
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FYI...larger pulley actually reduces the boost. I assume you want a smaller pulley?
Derp, yes But may end up having to start with the smaller pulley / lower boost setup since it will be maf based tune... and it seems i'll be creating my own basemap, that or i can go ahead and swap to a larger maf housing / rescaled maf before hand.
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I have been wanting to mention all of those things especially the effect of gear ratio.


Back on topic.... Any news on a firm release date yet? And If we are on E85 will be be able to buy the larger pully and a base map with the stg1 kit?????
I was wondering if someone could release a similar graph once the supercharger isnt under non disclosures



@GotM think you might be able to chime in?

i think the AT guys can get away with keeping current gear ratios with a power bump but the MT will benefit from a FD change
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Sure its posted further back in here, but just personally found this. Nice Robi.
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Derp, yes But may end up having to start with the smaller pulley / lower boost setup since it will be maf based tune... and it seems i'll be creating my own basemap, that or i can go ahead and swap to a larger maf housing / rescaled maf before hand.
Do you know what the limit of the oem MAF setup is? The MAS looks very similar to the Denso unit used on my 08 XB and that was good for +120bhp. MAS voltage maxed at 3.9V stock and 4.5V at 6psi. IIRC that was about 240 g/s? I can check some data logs to be sure.

Just curious how far I can go on the MAF before resorting to less accurate speed density.
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