More power desires may be doomed

[CoolBReeZe]

Just received the following Road & Track article: http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/news/...4_faster-scion

This news doesn't bode well for our wanting "more power" from the factory.

Though disappointed, I choose to think that our cars are increasingly rare and thus much more valuable!

[TwinturboCamry]

This shit again?

[rick s]

I've read a lot of replies to the basic complaint that the FR-S doesn't have enough power. All I have to say is if you wanted a muscle car and you test drove the FR-S and still bought the damn thing anyhow,WTF!


Will it do a 10 second 1/4 mile, no! Is it fun to drive on a nice twisting road hell yeah!


Not enough power, sell the GD car and be done with it
Stop complaining YOU TEST DROVE IT!


Sorry, rant over now

[OmarGC]

My frs has plenty of power

[DG-86]

Like the article says the FRS/BRZ isn't exactly slow. I think the engine has a lot of personality and I mean that in a good way. We all knew going in that this car would be a great platform for modification, a blank canvas if you will. This chassis is so well sorted and balanced, it can handle way more power. If that is what you want, the aftermarket has some great tuning options.

[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by DG-86

Like the article says the FRS/BRZ isn't exactly slow. I think the engine has a lot of personality and mean that in a good way. We all knew going in that this car would be a great platform for modification, a blank canvas if you will. This chassis is so well sorted and balanced, it can handle way more power. If that is what you want, the aftermarket has some great tuning options.

It isn't exactly slow, until you have a passenger in it. The camry or accord with a passenger will eat them up. Then you realize what are you sacrificing for ? from a practical 4 doors sedan to a 2 door.

If you are an autocross person, or track the car, you will smile off, and book a trip to the closest SCCA event or track. If you are a common college student, you would be like....wow!!! with this face "I hate the Camry, and accord, grocery getter are faster than me" This is the reason why many others are switching side.....the reason why Subaru will keep on selling WRX and STI (more sold every year)

[SirBrass]

Honestly, the aftermarket can add more power with a better, safer tune for less than what you'll get charged extra between the current model and a factory FI'd version. All you pay is your warranty coverage for that section of the car and cash (which is better than what you're effectively paying when you finance even part of the cost of the vehicle). So, you're getting interest free, better performing FI.

This of course does require use of proper judgement and doing research, but that mostly costs some brain power, which is one of the only resources I know of which renews and grows itself the more it is used, so it's a win-win anyway.

Also, for those who don't want FI, costs stay low.

Here's to hoping this platform will be like the Miata: same basic concept for years and years, and around for forever.

Because that means in 20 years, we can be just as cheap as the Miata guys are, where a "uber cost-out-the rear" engine build costs at most $10k (look up "Targa Miata").

Originally Posted by Whitigir

It isn't exactly slow, until you have a passenger in it. The camry or accord with a passenger will eat them up. Then you realize what are you sacrificing for ? from a practical 4 doors sedan to a 2 door.

If you are an autocross person, or track the car, you will smile off, and book a trip to the closest SCCA event or track. If you are a common college student, you would be like....wow!!! with this face "I hate the Camry, and accord, grocery getter are faster than me" This is the reason why many others are switching side.....the reason why Subaru will keep on selling WRX and STI (more sold every year)

Hardly. I carry passengers on occassion and as long as I'm willing to go high rev, I can easilly pass the camry, accord, etc. carrying passengers.

Give me modified and tuned NA, and I can then do the same to WRXs.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

It isn't exactly slow, until you have a passenger in it. The camry or accord with a passenger will eat them up. Then you realize what are you sacrificing for ? from a practical 4 doors sedan to a 2 door.

If you are an autocross person, or track the car, you will smile off, and book a trip to the closest SCCA event or track. If you are a common college student, you would be like....wow!!! with this face "I hate the Camry, and accord, grocery getter are faster than me" This is the reason why many others are switching side.....the reason why Subaru will keep on selling WRX and STI (more sold every year)

If you are a "common college student" you should be so lucky to have the privilege to own this car.

[husker741]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

It isn't exactly slow, until you have a passenger in it. The camry or accord with a passenger will eat them up. Then you realize what are you sacrificing for ? from a practical 4 doors sedan to a 2 door.

If you are an autocross person, or track the car, you will smile off, and book a trip to the closest SCCA event or track. If you are a common college student, you would be like....wow!!! with this face "I hate the Camry, and accord, grocery getter are faster than me" This is the reason why many others are switching side.....the reason why Subaru will keep on selling WRX and STI (more sold every year)

Do you even own one?

[SirBrass]

I think he's one of the few who were dissatisfied.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

I think he's one of the few who were dissatisfied.

90% sure he's an armchair quarterback, contemplating selling his Mitsu but was dissatisfied with the test drive. It's a testament to how entertaining our forums are that he's still here, talking down the Toyobaru every chance he gets.

[SirBrass]

Thankfully I can care as much about his opinion as much as I paid to read it... that is: nothing.

I went from an STI to this car and while I felt like I had to validate the STI purchase to myself constantly (those fuel costs really did hurt like none other, otherwise it wouldn't have felt so bad), I've felt absolutely guilt-free over getting the BRZ... except for the fact that I didn't hold out for a WRB model (that's it). It just annoys me that people think this car to be slow. Granted, if driven where WRXs and STIs generally are driven (about same tach range most folks drive their automatics: up to 5k max, and 4-5k is really pushing it), it IS slow. But if you drive this car it was intended to be driven, that is using the entire tach range from 3k-7k (2k-3k being cruise rpm range, where you need to downshift to move out of it swiftly just like in any other vehicle), it is not that slow. It's not that fast either, but its no slouch.

Consider that camrys and accords most likely (I haven't looked up the figures) weigh MORE and come with engines whose bhp output is significantly lower than 200 bhp.

If folks are getting easilly passed by the gas-sipping grocery getters on the freeway and getting pissed over it, then the fault is the with the driver for just mashing the throttle in 6th instead of following the proper steps for correct freeway chastisement of the offending sinner (do NOT do this on normal streets... if you do, I will laugh my @$$ off when the cop gives you that well deserved ticket):

1) smoothly downshift 1-2 gears (depending on current speed, current tach, and desired accel... basically your target tach when the clutch re-engages is to be ABOVE the torque dip)
2) smoothly apply throttle (all the way to WOT if needed, and if you were that slow to clue in that you were getting passed by an econobox)
3) extend vision ahead and check for traffic clearance
4) swiftly pass offending grocery getter with delusions of grandeur
5) profit

Easily done with ACN91 gas on stock tune and stock exhaust.

Now, against a pretentious v6 Mustang d*bag? Yeah, ain't happening stock. But that's his problem for having so small a manhood that he thinks that he has to fly by a car that was designed to run with much lower HP than his straight-line-only machine.

[mav1178]

We should have a section of the website dedicated to these threads.

Title the section "A place where internet rumors go die..."

-alex

[CoolBReeZe]

Originally Posted by TwinturboCamry

This shit again?

It should be obvious that I don't have a problem with "too little power". I bought the car for its balanced nature and pure fun-to-drive factor on public roads, in the twisties, and occasionally on the track.

Would I like more power? Sure, but I'm not willing to super or turbo charge the car until the warranty has expired.

The point is that the twins and variations for other markets are built in a Subaru plant and currently have the same power train.

If the economics don't make sense, Subaru and Toyota may eventually discontinue the car. It becomes increasingly unlikely that the companies would expend the time and $ to provide a higher-power edition in the future.

Had an STi version been available when I bought I would happily have jumped into its driver's seat! Still would trade if it were to be offered. Nevertheless, this car is great fun as it is.