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Old 04-25-2012, 01:06 PM   #15
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I want to mention something I am seeing here.

In the insideline review posted, read this:

"In our testing the FR-S generated 0.88g on the skid pad and turned out a 67.3-mph slalom performance; results that trail those produced by the BRZ we tested. The reason is balance — the FR-S's slightly more tail-happy character makes the numbers less big. "

And if that's true, the BRZ actually would be better in the corners on a track. not worse.

another qoute that shows that it's more about launching ability and driver ability:

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Sixty miles per hour is reached in 6.6 seconds (6.3 seconds with one foot of rollout like on a drag strip), and the quarter-mile in 14.8 seconds at 93.8 mph. Yes, this result is notably quicker and faster than the BRZ, which did those deeds in 7.3, 7.0, and 15.3 seconds at 92.1, respectively. What's going on?
The data reveals that the BRZ actually accelerated quicker initially, but at 19 mph the Subaru laid over a bit and the Scion powered ahead and never looked back. The explanation is equal parts launch technique and gearchange speed. The Scion's tire-spinning launch allowed it power through the 4000-rpm torque hole we observed in our dyno testing where the Subaru bogged down briefly. Plus, our BRZ tester was plagued with a finicky 1-2 gearchange which ate up precious time en route to 60 mph. "
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:13 PM   #16
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Just to compile what I found in those reviews so far, comparing the FRS to BRZ:


Motor Authority:
"But turn it all off, and the FR-S reveals its true ability--a level of ability that may even surpass its Subaru twin.

The FR-S isn't identical to the BRZ. It has stiffer rear springs and rear bushings. That makes it a bit more willing to rotate, both on power and off, and yields a balance that feels both natural and easily controlled. It's a conscious decision taken by the Scion crew to make their version just a bit more fun, a bit better-suited to those with as much taste for a well-carved apex and corner-entry tossability as for outright speed. And that, in a nutshell, is the Scion FR-S."

Motor Trend:
"During our testing, we recorded a 25.9-second figure-eight run at a 0.67 g average -- a full second quicker than the Fiat 500 Abarth we recently tested, a half-second quicker than the Honda Civic Si coupe, and even three-tenths of a second quicker than the Subaru BRZ."

Automobile Mag:
"As a result, the cars were essentially neck-and-neck in acceleration runs, with the Scion’s 6.2-second run to 60 mph edging out the Subaru’s 6.4-second 0-60 sprint....

The Scion FR-S, on the other hand, is more playful -- and has a temper. Think of an RX-8 with some MX-5 Miata thrown into the mix. Stiffer rear springs and bushings help make the Scion more neutral at the limit. A tiny amount of initial understeer can be nixed by your right foot with no hesitation. Lift slightly in a corner and the FR-S’s rear tires come unstuck. Get on the throttle too hard, and without delay the rear end begins to rotate. Its actions are quick, so your reactions on the steering wheel need to be fast, too -- but there’s more than enough steering feel coming through the electrically assisted rack that you’ll feel the back end coming around right away.
A beginner driver might have an easier time controlling the Subaru at the limit -- more experienced drivers might prefer the Scion. As the near-identical performance numbers show, neither has a clear performance advantage -- it’s all about the feel. The Scion offers the best balance of any sports car within three times its price. Well, except the Subaru, which trails right behind."


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"Sixty miles per hour is reached in 6.6 seconds (6.3 seconds with one foot of rollout like on a drag strip), and the quarter-mile in 14.8 seconds at 93.8 mph. Yes, this result is notably quicker and faster than the BRZ, which did those deeds in 7.3, 7.0, and 15.3 seconds at 92.1, respectively. What's going on? The data reveals that the BRZ actually accelerated quicker initially, but at 19 mph the Subaru laid over a bit and the Scion powered ahead and never looked back. The explanation is equal parts launch technique and gearchange speed. The Scion's tire-spinning launch allowed it power through the 4000-rpm torque hole we observed in our dyno testing where the Subaru bogged down briefly. Plus, our BRZ tester was plagued with a finicky 1-2 gearchange which ate up precious time en route to 60 mph."


Seems to be some truth underlying all this.
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They are literally the exact same car with slightly different suspensions. Any observations that the FR-S is somehow faster are purely anecdotal, unreliable, and probably misguided. Maybe if Toyota used a different air intake or tuned it differently it could be the case, but it's not.
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:34 PM   #18
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Just to compile what I found in those reviews so far, comparing the FRS to BRZ:


Motor Authority:
"But turn it all off, and the FR-S reveals its true ability--a level of ability that may even surpass its Subaru twin.

The FR-S isn't identical to the BRZ. It has stiffer rear springs and rear bushings. That makes it a bit more willing to rotate, both on power and off, and yields a balance that feels both natural and easily controlled. It's a conscious decision taken by the Scion crew to make their version just a bit more fun, a bit better-suited to those with as much taste for a well-carved apex and corner-entry tossability as for outright speed. And that, in a nutshell, is the Scion FR-S."

Motor Trend:
"During our testing, we recorded a 25.9-second figure-eight run at a 0.67 g average -- a full second quicker than the Fiat 500 Abarth we recently tested, a half-second quicker than the Honda Civic Si coupe, and even three-tenths of a second quicker than the Subaru BRZ."

Automobile Mag:
"As a result, the cars were essentially neck-and-neck in acceleration runs, with the Scion’s 6.2-second run to 60 mph edging out the Subaru’s 6.4-second 0-60 sprint....

The Scion FR-S, on the other hand, is more playful -- and has a temper. Think of an RX-8 with some MX-5 Miata thrown into the mix. Stiffer rear springs and bushings help make the Scion more neutral at the limit. A tiny amount of initial understeer can be nixed by your right foot with no hesitation. Lift slightly in a corner and the FR-S’s rear tires come unstuck. Get on the throttle too hard, and without delay the rear end begins to rotate. Its actions are quick, so your reactions on the steering wheel need to be fast, too -- but there’s more than enough steering feel coming through the electrically assisted rack that you’ll feel the back end coming around right away.
A beginner driver might have an easier time controlling the Subaru at the limit -- more experienced drivers might prefer the Scion. As the near-identical performance numbers show, neither has a clear performance advantage -- it’s all about the feel. The Scion offers the best balance of any sports car within three times its price. Well, except the Subaru, which trails right behind."


Inside Line:
"Sixty miles per hour is reached in 6.6 seconds (6.3 seconds with one foot of rollout like on a drag strip), and the quarter-mile in 14.8 seconds at 93.8 mph. Yes, this result is notably quicker and faster than the BRZ, which did those deeds in 7.3, 7.0, and 15.3 seconds at 92.1, respectively. What's going on? The data reveals that the BRZ actually accelerated quicker initially, but at 19 mph the Subaru laid over a bit and the Scion powered ahead and never looked back. The explanation is equal parts launch technique and gearchange speed. The Scion's tire-spinning launch allowed it power through the 4000-rpm torque hole we observed in our dyno testing where the Subaru bogged down briefly. Plus, our BRZ tester was plagued with a finicky 1-2 gearchange which ate up precious time en route to 60 mph."


Seems to be some truth underlying all this.
of course there's some truth to it. and the truth is this, the scion has a slight edge when it comes to certain things, but the edge is VERY VERY SLIGHT. so slight that like everyone else said, i would choose the car based on features you want and price rather than these reviews. such a slight edge would easily disappear with upgraded parts, or most importantly, DRIVER UPGRADE.

also, don't ignore the personal preference aspect as well. some people might prefer the more forgiving nature of the BRZ at the limits. others might want the balance of the scion more. test drive them both and decide which you like better, although you may not even be able to perceive the difference on regular roads at normal speeds.
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:34 PM   #19
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The FR-S is faster enough said....still sucks that I can't get HIDs and push button start...
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Hey a lot of those car magazines said that we'd be driving these cars on April 20th, am I missing something?
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There's really not much debate and you can't lose either way. You like the Fr-s get the Fr-s, like the BRZ get the BRZ.
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There's really not much debate and you can't lose either way. You like the Fr-s get the Fr-s, like the BRZ get the BRZ.

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Hey a lot of those car magazines said that we'd be driving these cars on April 20th, am I missing something?
Yeah, we're all missing our cars!
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There's zero reason to pick one or the other based on reviews. No article tested both at the same time in the same condition.
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Old 04-25-2012, 02:49 PM   #25
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If anyone is worried about the suspension differences, I'm sure enough FR-S owners will swap out their suspension that BRZ owners can get some like-new parts for cheap. The main differences between the BRZ and FR-S are the easiest parts to change...
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From what I recall alot of the initial BRZ reviews didn't post 0-60 times. In addition, both cars would need to be tested back to back in the same conditions to make a comparison. Given that the cars are identical in every meaningful way that matters for straight line performance, you choice comes down to which ever exterior and interior suits you.

Both the FR-S / BR-Z are mid 6 sec 0-60 cars. Period.
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HID's give off so much light it actually slows the car down..

There's your solution..
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I gonna be honest. When I buy this car it's come down to this

MT = FR-S
AT = BRZ

Why? If I buy MT, which means I gonna use this car for track/autox more than DD, so I don't need all the accessoies. AT, I kinda want extra luxury stuff, which BRZ offers, so I'm going for BRZ.

Other than that, BRZ & FR-S, they're all same to me. Just happen to be FR-S got better time than BRZ. Road condition was different along with weather & temp. Again, just take all the info and review as grain of salt
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