STI...pfft

[wbradley]

If I was to do it all again I'd pick up a second hand Scion, preferably the limited one with most of the BRZ goodies and the auto climate dash.. Reason Scion, like the look better, don't give a s#%t whether it is one economy car brand or the other.

Then, upgrade mechanicals probably in this order:

Wheels, tires, FI, oil cooler, exhaust, brake pads and fluid. Maybe higher end coilovers or coils & shocks.

Probably try a medium size (28 trim) turbo next time. This also saves buying headers separately.

Also, keep it within the 300 WHP/ 240 tq range.

Then I'd just drive the crap out of it.

Fussy stuff like body kit I'd think twice about next time.

Warranty is useless once the big mods start, might as well save $10K on the vehicle purchase.

STI is a brand for an all wheel drive sedan proven in rally racing. I don't think it's quite the right branding for these cars. The TS branding could set it apart as I think it should be.

[prj3ctm4yh3m]

^^^ford UK has "st-line". Audi has r-line. Wish they would do the tS here in the states. Doesnt really jive with the whole dog worshipper/love conquers all marketing campaign theyre on about here in NAMER.

Doubt it will be a priority for them anytime soon.

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by prj3ctm4yh3m

^^^ford UK has "st-line". Audi has r-line. Wish they would do the tS here in the states. Doesnt really jive with the whole dog worshipper/love conquers all marketing campaign theyre on about here in NAMER.

Doubt it will be a priority for them anytime soon.

The STI doesn't appear to be suffering from the constellation gazing, love conquers all ad campaigns Subaru runs.
Being badass as an overall brand image for a mostly economy-minded product lineup didn't work out well for Pontiac, "The Widetrack Car" in the long run.

Now if they could just bring back SAAB...

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by prj3ctm4yh3m

^^^ford UK has "st-line". Audi has r-line. Wish they would do the tS here in the states. Doesnt really jive with the whole dog worshipper/love conquers all marketing campaign theyre on about here in NAMER.

Subaru's had record year-on-year growth overall in the last decade.

They couldn't care less about what jives and what doesn't, what they are doing now is doing wonders for their bottom line...

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by prj3ctm4yh3m

^^^ford UK has "st-line". Audi has r-line. Wish they would do the tS here in the states. Doesnt really jive with the whole dog worshipper/love conquers all marketing campaign theyre on about here in NAMER.

Doubt it will be a priority for them anytime soon.

STI tS line-up is made to order domestically usually by a limited batch (a few hundred at most per model) and not really done on the factory assembly line. The standard car gets shipped to STI and then the upgrades are performed afterwards and takes at least 2 weeks before the complete car is ready for delivery.

They don't have the capacity to launch worldwide. If they pull something in North America it will probably just a trim level like the current standard WRX STI or Levorg STI, similar to what you mentioned about Ford ST and Audi S-line.

tS is more like the Ford RS and Quattro GmBH (Audi S and RS) equivalent but still nowhere near that scale of production.

[prj3ctm4yh3m]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Subaru's had record year-on-year growth overall in the last decade.

They couldn't care less about what jives and what doesn't, what they are doing now is doing wonders for their bottom line...

Brz isnt an established subbrand like sti or corvette that has stored goodwill. I dont think they will make the push to develop brz (or Ts--in the states), given their current vector.

Re their success, I think it's fleeting and toyota will kill what's left of their quirkiness. I.e. they wont be able to bottle the lightning.

[Dark]

$29.6K?

At this rate, Subie dealers would be lucky to sell their '17 with PP at 27.5K.

[spike021]

Originally Posted by Dark

$29.6K?

At this rate, Subie dealers would be lucky to sell their '17 with PP at 27.5K.

I've seen less than 27.5K before TTL.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by spike021

I've seen less than 27.5K before TTL.

Yup. That's why I said they would be lucky to sell one at that price.

[wbradley]

Considering the typical markup on the BRZ is probably in the 8.5-9% range, selling at an $1,800. discount only reinforces what a lousy job selling new cars can be. Sales rep would be doing his job just for the priviledge of being allowed to do so. Sales persons commisssion probably somewhere between 0 and $150. House typically makes their money on holdback if its new stock, or possibly kickback from the factory to move idle inventory. The business I am in is plagued with similar bs. Except with my company, the house pads their cost a huge percentage.

[funwheeldrive]

Some new cars seem to sell themselves though. I doubt it's that easy to get money off with a new WRX. I could be wrong though.

Most people think the 86/BRZ are overpriced considering you could buy an Ecoboost mustang for around the same price.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Some new cars seem to sell themselves though. I doubt it's that easy to get money off with a new WRX. I could be wrong though.

Most people think the 86/BRZ are overpriced considering you could buy an Ecoboost mustang for around the same price.

... You can buy a Mustang Ecoboost at 4K off MSRP at least here in WA.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Considering the typical markup on the BRZ is probably in the 8.5-9% range, selling at an $1,800. discount only reinforces what a lousy job selling new cars can be. Sales rep would be doing his job just for the priviledge of being allowed to do so. Sales persons commisssion probably somewhere between 0 and $150. House typically makes their money on holdback if its new stock, or possibly kickback from the factory to move idle inventory. The business I am in is plagued with similar bs. Except with my company, the house pads their cost a huge percentage.

A dealership is making most of its money from services/warranties, fleet sales, and holdback. They don't care about Invoice : actual sales margin.

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by Dark

A dealership is making most of its money from services/warranties, fleet sales, and holdback. They don't care about Invoice : actual sales margin.

Sales dept does.

Typically the person who actually is supposed to be employed taking care of sales doesn't get paid for any other services the dealer offers. The owner of the dealership typically isnt doing anything for you except collecting their profit, whether sales gets screwed or not. Being in sales most of my life, I am not typically "that guy", the one who buys for $2000 below invoice when everyone else pays waaay more. I deal with people like this from time to time in my business. I always think to myself, maybe these people will suffer a lapse of income like I am when I am working for free. I had a guy recently, not only did I not make a dime, but he was way more work than most people. Of course my employer expects us to deal with this bullshit, I guess THEY are making money. Then, before taking delivery of our product, he went over and above his negotiation and posted a negative comment on Google maps for our head office location, making our marketing dept. pissed and forcing me to give the client an upgrade for a couple hundred more of the companys money in return for him removing the negative comment. What a useless mass of flesh.