follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
ACE Headers
Register Garage Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   Scion FR-S Forum | Subaru BRZ Forum | Toyota 86 GT 86 Forum | AS1 Forum - FT86CLUB > Technical Topics > Engine, Exhaust, Transmission

Engine, Exhaust, Transmission Discuss the FR-S | 86 | BRZ engine, exhaust and drivetrain.


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 09-29-2014, 03:56 PM   #15
FR-S Matt
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Drives: 2013 Ultramarine FR-S MT
Location: Round Rock, TX
Posts: 3,943
Thanks: 679
Thanked 1,759 Times in 1,109 Posts
Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by gabeg86 View Post
Bumping this thread.
Is the sound dramatically different from catted to non-catted? I don't mind loud, I just don't want rasp. Currently running catless front pipe matched to an Evo3.
Should go catless on the header, and catted on the front pipe. Evo3 might have some rasp due to the larger piping. This is why I prefer the N1 in this case.
FR-S Matt is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to FR-S Matt For This Useful Post:
gabeg86 (09-29-2014)
Old 09-29-2014, 03:57 PM   #16
the new guy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Drives: 2014 Asphalt FR-S
Location: Fairfax
Posts: 507
Thanks: 162
Thanked 180 Times in 136 Posts
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
I have the catless JDL EL installed with the rest of the factory exhaust and I'm quite happy with it so far. No rasp and the stock Axelback keeps it quite tame.
the new guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2014, 04:03 PM   #17
gabeg86
Senior Member
 
gabeg86's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Drives: 2013 Raven FR-S
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 324
Thanks: 139
Thanked 80 Times in 54 Posts
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by FR-S Matt View Post
Should go catless on the header, and catted on the front pipe. Evo3 might have some rasp due to the larger piping. This is why I prefer the N1 in this case.
I was mainly asking because it's only $100 to add the cat to the P&L header. If I were to redo it and get a catted front pipe, I'd be out a lot more than $100. Just curious as to if the cat really changes the sound enough to make it worth it. Or if the header isn't raspy to begin with, then no need to worry about the cat in the first place.
__________________
Perrin (LWCP) - Blox (shift knob) - HID Powerhouse (LED's and HID's) - Eibach (sportlines) - Muteki (lugs) - SPL (LCA's) - Rays Engineering (57dr's) - Dunlop Direzza ZII (tires) - Greddy (Evo3) - Full Race (turbo kit) - Ecutek (tuned)
gabeg86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2014, 04:09 PM   #18
FR-S Matt
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Drives: 2013 Ultramarine FR-S MT
Location: Round Rock, TX
Posts: 3,943
Thanks: 679
Thanked 1,759 Times in 1,109 Posts
Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by gabeg86 View Post
I was mainly asking because it's only $100 to add the cat to the P&L header. If I were to redo it and get a catted front pipe, I'd be out a lot more than $100. Just curious as to if the cat really changes the sound enough to make it worth it. Or if the header isn't raspy to begin with, then no need to worry about the cat in the first place.
It will help a little bit, but not a lot. The resonator and mufflers do more. I had a hell of a time fighting rasp on a Nameless 3" header back and that had a cat and 2 resonators. The pipe size was just too large.

My only argument on the cat in a high flow header is the life span. They don't last as long as they do in the front pipe.
FR-S Matt is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to FR-S Matt For This Useful Post:
gabeg86 (09-29-2014)
Old 09-29-2014, 04:13 PM   #19
gabeg86
Senior Member
 
gabeg86's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Drives: 2013 Raven FR-S
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 324
Thanks: 139
Thanked 80 Times in 54 Posts
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by FR-S Matt View Post
It will help a little bit, but not a lot. The resonator and mufflers do more. I had a hell of a time fighting rasp on a Nameless 3" header back and that had a cat and 2 resonators. The pipe size was just too large.

My only argument on the cat in a high flow header is the life span. They don't last as long as they do in the front pipe.
P&L offers a lifetime warranty on the cat in their header, which is awesome. If the cat doesn't do much though, I may as well get a resonator or two added to my front pipe.
__________________
Perrin (LWCP) - Blox (shift knob) - HID Powerhouse (LED's and HID's) - Eibach (sportlines) - Muteki (lugs) - SPL (LCA's) - Rays Engineering (57dr's) - Dunlop Direzza ZII (tires) - Greddy (Evo3) - Full Race (turbo kit) - Ecutek (tuned)
gabeg86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2014, 10:09 PM   #20
calmtigers
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Drives: 2014 Whiteout TRD FR-S 6MT
Location: Fresno / DTLA
Posts: 931
Thanks: 628
Thanked 376 Times in 214 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by wparsons View Post
That pulls up exactly zero useful results.

I meant use google as the search ex. jdl el dyno "ft86club.com" or whatever the google search quick method is.

Maybe not P&L but if I remember correctly there are some drift office numbers if not there was another independent tuner who had EL dyno numbers
__________________
"I love dinosaurs so much that Iíve based my life on burning as much black melted dinosaur flesh as I can on a daily basis...even the screaming sound of prehistoric reptilians being burnt through any of the classic Japanese four cylinders gives me great joy."
calmtigers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2014, 02:16 PM   #21
P&L Motorsports
Senior Member
 
P&L Motorsports's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Drives: '13 Turbo BRZ (AT) & '13 FRS
Location: Lisle, IL
Posts: 1,324
Thanks: 158
Thanked 355 Times in 157 Posts
Mentioned: 44 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by gabeg86 View Post
Bumping this thread.
Is the sound dramatically different from catted to non-catted? I don't mind loud, I just don't want rasp. Currently running catless front pipe matched to an Evo3.
I wouldn't say it is a dramatic difference, but a cat will act the same as a resonator as far as volume and "raspyness" reduction.


Quote:
Originally Posted by wparsons View Post
Not saying it's the case here, but sometimes available stock is actually a bad thing (ie, why aren't they already sold).
It's one of our highest volume items, we're now usually doing a production run of 20 at a time to tide us over for a few weeks. There's no sense in fabricating one at a time like other manufacturers when we know it's more efficient for us (and for our customers) to have them ready to go on the shelf.

Ty @ P&L

Last edited by P&L Motorsports; 09-30-2014 at 03:41 PM.
P&L Motorsports is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to P&L Motorsports For This Useful Post:
akyp (10-02-2014), Fred E (10-01-2014), Hyper4mance2k (05-08-2015), wparsons (09-30-2014)
Old 10-02-2014, 07:50 AM   #22
Sphirit
Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: GT86
Location: Spain
Posts: 71
Thanks: 7
Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
any problem for instal one of these catted headers without any tune?
lost low end torque?

Sorry my bad english
Sphirit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2014, 12:14 PM   #23
P&L Motorsports
Senior Member
 
P&L Motorsports's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Drives: '13 Turbo BRZ (AT) & '13 FRS
Location: Lisle, IL
Posts: 1,324
Thanks: 158
Thanked 355 Times in 157 Posts
Mentioned: 44 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sphirit View Post
any problem for instal one of these catted headers without any tune?
lost low end torque?

Sorry my bad english
Our header will smooth out the 'torque dip' common on the stock engine even without a custom ECU tune. You should not see any negatives from installing the manifold without a tune.

-Ty
P&L Motorsports is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2014, 12:41 PM   #24
aznatama
Senior Member
 
aznatama's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2014
Drives: 2014 BRZ MT (Sold); 2006 V70R
Location: Fairfax
Posts: 873
Thanks: 10
Thanked 184 Times in 148 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
I have the P&L catted and coated header. Straight forward install once stock header->overpipe bolts were removed. everything else is stock on my car except a panel filter.

-Unclip/disconnect both O2 sensors
-Get under car and remove skid plates
-Unbolt stock header
-move O2's from stock header to P&L header
-Bolt in P&L Header
-Secure Vband
-Reconnect O2's

done.

I have a video clip of in-cabin sound in one of my earlier posts. Not very good, but you'll get the gist of it.
__________________
'14 BRZ LTD MT DGM
aznatama is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to aznatama For This Useful Post:
P&L Motorsports (10-02-2014)
Old 05-06-2015, 04:09 PM   #25
congiiee
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Drives: WRB Subaru BRZ
Location: Virginia
Posts: 197
Thanks: 57
Thanked 62 Times in 31 Posts
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by the new guy View Post
I have the catless JDL EL installed with the rest of the factory exhaust and I'm quite happy with it so far. No rasp and the stock Axelback keeps it quite tame.
Can you describe how it feels? Is the dib gone with more power at the top end?
congiiee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2015, 06:46 PM   #26
wootwoot
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Drives: FRS
Location: Cali
Posts: 1,558
Thanks: 188
Thanked 456 Times in 264 Posts
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
I will be putting up my P&l catted and coated header for sale soon. Just sayin....
wootwoot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2015, 08:18 PM   #27
BatStig
Some say.....
 
BatStig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Drives: 2007 Subaru Impreza 2.5i
Location: Kitchener ON
Posts: 459
Thanks: 740
Thanked 302 Times in 167 Posts
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by congiiee View Post
Can you describe how it feels? Is the dib gone with more power at the top end?
JDL EL catted here. No dip at all. Pulls like a champ to redline. If the actual numbers are a concern, look away: this dyno was a heartbreaker.

BatStig is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to BatStig For This Useful Post:
congiiee (05-06-2015)
Old 05-06-2015, 08:37 PM   #28
congiiee
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Drives: WRB Subaru BRZ
Location: Virginia
Posts: 197
Thanks: 57
Thanked 62 Times in 31 Posts
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by BatStig View Post
JDL EL catted here. No dip at all. Pulls like a champ to redline. If the actual numbers are a concern, look away: this dyno was a heartbreaker.

Hey batstig I saw that you got rid of the nameless combo pipe. What was the reasoning for that?
congiiee is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
catted header or catted front pipe? gabeg86 Engine, Exhaust, Transmission 28 10-13-2015 12:32 PM
Looking for catted uel header eliminist Engine, Exhaust, Transmission 13 05-04-2014 04:10 AM
RevWorks UEL Header + Nameless Catted Front Pipe VS Stock Gutted Header + FP NickFRS Engine, Exhaust, Transmission 44 04-19-2014 05:42 PM
FT: P&L header catted DP for non-catted DP mtsound Engine, Exhaust, Bolt-Ons 4 12-18-2013 04:22 PM
Catted UEL Header Cjymiller Engine, Exhaust, Transmission 20 05-24-2013 12:01 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:39 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.