12-15-2015, 11:14 AM | #3893 | |
Lost in Kansas
Join Date: Mar 2013
Drives: 2013 Scion FRS (Raven)
Location: Wichita, KS
Posts: 662
Thanks: 359
Thanked 317 Times in 185 Posts
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
We all agree that the intent is that the BRZ is able to come play in CS and no one is arguing against that. The only problem being that when you gray those lines, people will use that rule beyond it's intent. I do think that allowing the BRZ to have the TRD springs/bars would be good for the class and the twins. I just don't think it is as black and white as you want to make it. I can see why there is a hesitation. |
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to DylanFRS For This Useful Post: | Shark_Bait88 (12-15-2015), strat61caster (12-15-2015) |
12-15-2015, 11:29 AM | #3894 | ||
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2014
Drives: 2014 FR-S
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 287
Thanks: 127
Thanked 148 Times in 93 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
-Mike
#24 CS/CSR |
||
12-15-2015, 11:34 AM | #3895 | |
Stiggasaurus Rex
Join Date: May 2014
Drives: '14 WRB Subaru BRZ 6MT
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 170
Thanks: 104
Thanked 29 Times in 22 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
BRZ and FR-S(without TRD) were same level playing field BRZ and FR-S(with TRD) still the same level playing field
__________________
meh.
|
|
12-15-2015, 12:30 PM | #3896 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2015
Drives: '14 FRS TT5
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 228
Thanks: 140
Thanked 124 Times in 64 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Otherwise I feel like we are all beating a dead horse here. If you have a serious concern and want to see a change, write to the SEB: https://www.crbscca.com/ In other news, now that the camber advantage of the Koni's is taken away, I think it makes other double adjustable struts more attractive. What are the other options out there? Penske?
__________________
Follow my NASA TT5 build here: JHill Motorsports
|
|
12-15-2015, 12:43 PM | #3897 | |
Senior Citizen
Join Date: May 2012
Drives: Scion FR-S
Location: So. Cal
Posts: 571
Thanks: 143
Thanked 186 Times in 121 Posts
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
http://www.frsport.com/index.php?tar...0176ef9a4bfb0b |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to simpleisbest For This Useful Post: | TMF (12-15-2015) |
12-15-2015, 03:55 PM | #3898 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2014
Drives: 2014 FR-S
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 287
Thanks: 127
Thanked 148 Times in 93 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Yep. Just not the same players anymore. Kinda like the other non-BRZ/FR-S cars in CS. Although, they never were the same players in the first place. Spring rate disparity existed long before the TRD mess, and is as valid a reason as any to pick one car over another. And there's a 50-ish pound weight difference between the two as well.
__________________
-Mike
#24 CS/CSR |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to TrqlessWonder For This Useful Post: | Shark_Bait88 (12-15-2015) |
12-16-2015, 09:22 AM | #3899 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2014
Drives: 2014 BRZ
Location: Jersey
Posts: 104
Thanks: 17
Thanked 19 Times in 14 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Level playing field is a broad term that hides the fact that one is faster than the other. Pretty sure if you give a C-street prepped BRZ to a talented driver like Strano for example and then have him run the course in a TRD prepped FRS that FRS will put up better #s. You have me do the same test and chances are the results will not be obvious/drastic...or maybe they will. However, a lot of people want to know they are driving something that gives them the best shot to be competitive. And as indicative by the results, if a twin is your choice, the BRZ is no longer on the list. Before the TRD update I agree that the BRZ/FRS was a crap shoot and capable of equal results, now though, not so much. There is a reason why ALOT of people ditched their C-street brz's or turned them into STX cars and its not because of 50lbs or the factory spring rates favoring over/under steer lol.
__________________
2014 BRZ C-Street #11 245/40/17 RE71R's, Camber Bolts, Koni Shocks, Perrin 19m Bar, 5mm Spacer/Longer Studs, Berk Track Pipe, KNN Drop In, Fancy alignment
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Laloosh For This Useful Post: | TrqlessWonder (12-16-2015) |
12-16-2015, 10:49 AM | #3900 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2014
Drives: 2014 FR-S
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 287
Thanks: 127
Thanked 148 Times in 93 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Street classes, for the most part, never have a "car to have" for long periods of time. Some cars are never the car to have. Some get their competitive life cut short very quickly. That happened to the BRZ, effectively. The FR-S will get theirs, too, before very long. Heck, deliveries on its better may be already underway. I still don't get why Subaru can't be bothered to offer a similar setup. Wouldn't fix those that have already bought, but it restores the parity we'd all like for cars going forward without having to open a can of worms. I mean, is it some corporate edict that all Subarus exist at rally-x ride height?
__________________
-Mike
#24 CS/CSR |
|
12-16-2015, 01:41 PM | #3901 |
Lost in Kansas
Join Date: Mar 2013
Drives: 2013 Scion FRS (Raven)
Location: Wichita, KS
Posts: 662
Thanks: 359
Thanked 317 Times in 185 Posts
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
|
|
12-16-2015, 08:26 PM | #3902 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2014
Drives: 2014 BRZ
Location: Jersey
Posts: 104
Thanks: 17
Thanked 19 Times in 14 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Comparing the difference between a TRD FRS and BRZ to the difference between either to lets say an RX-8 is useless. A TRD FRS vs a RX8 is fair game, each car still has strengths and weakness and either car can take it imo depending on the course with equal drivers. The BRZ has ZERO strengths against a TRD FRS, it is simply a handicapped version of the TRD FRS and never has an advantage lol.
__________________
2014 BRZ C-Street #11 245/40/17 RE71R's, Camber Bolts, Koni Shocks, Perrin 19m Bar, 5mm Spacer/Longer Studs, Berk Track Pipe, KNN Drop In, Fancy alignment
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Laloosh For This Useful Post: | TrqlessWonder (12-17-2015) |
12-17-2015, 11:06 AM | #3903 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2014
Drives: 2014 FR-S
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 287
Thanks: 127
Thanked 148 Times in 93 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Obviously, I don't share that view on things. From documentation (insert eyeroll here) the TRD FR-S was a thing from the get-go (another eyeroll for good measure). The BRZ, then, effectively never had a shot, as you might put it. It only hung on until folks discovered the port option thingy.
Ergo, the BRZ is as much the same car from a rulebook standpoint as an RX-8. That is, not the same car. Just another allowed class competitor for which the SEB didn't have a better class to assign it to. That no one knew about the port option thing for the first two+ years is just the effed-up part about it.
__________________
-Mike
#24 CS/CSR |
The Following User Says Thank You to TrqlessWonder For This Useful Post: | TMF (12-17-2015) |
12-17-2015, 11:14 AM | #3904 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2014
Drives: 2014 FR-S
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 287
Thanks: 127
Thanked 148 Times in 93 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
That might change the tone of the rhetoric. It won't end the conversation, though.
__________________
-Mike
#24 CS/CSR |
|
12-17-2015, 11:23 AM | #3905 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2013
Drives: '22 BRZ
Location: PA
Posts: 1,832
Thanks: 2,297
Thanked 1,471 Times in 766 Posts
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
|
I bet the ND would do a lot better at a local style course where it's not constantly shifting or hitting the limiter... but oh well.
|
12-17-2015, 11:50 AM | #3906 | |
Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Drives: 2013 Red 6MT Scion FR-S
Location: Texas
Posts: 83
Thanks: 0
Thanked 33 Times in 17 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
1) They were on the wrong tire. I tested back to back on the Lincoln practice course Bstone vs. BFG and was consistently 0.3-0.4s faster on the Bstones. 2) Not as much development as top cars. My car had a season and Fenter/Harvey 3+. I certainly learned things and got faster throughout the year. That's tough to make up for in one event. 3) I think there is a chance that the car is just not that fast especially on longer, faster courses like the East Course. I certainly don't think it is the new top car to have or a class killer. I think it will be even with the top FR-Ss, NC MX-5, and RX-8s. Just my opinion though, time will tell.
__________________
Dave Ogburn | Yaw Moment Racing
2013 Scion FR-S - C-Street http://yawmomentracing.blogspot.com/ YouTube Channel |
|
|
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Cinco De Mayo SCCA SOLO | Ryeong86 | NY / NJ / CT / PA | 0 | 04-23-2013 05:22 PM |
Koni Sports in SCCA SOLO | Ryeong86 | Tracking / Autocross / HPDE / Drifting | 4 | 04-22-2013 12:58 PM |
2013 Preliminary SCCA SOLO and PRO SOLO National Schedule | Scooby South | Tracking / Autocross / HPDE / Drifting | 13 | 12-05-2012 08:08 AM |
Houston SCCA Solo #9 - 5 FRS, 1 BRZ | hankster | Tracking / Autocross / HPDE / Drifting | 0 | 10-09-2012 01:35 PM |
SCCA Solo Car Class for the FR-S/BRZ? | MrVito | Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum | 31 | 06-15-2012 10:03 AM |