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Old 07-28-2014, 03:37 PM   #197
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To be fair, those cars were all comparatively high-priced near-supercars because of the cutting edge technology they had.

Coupled with the economic turmoil in Japan, exchange rate fluctuations and increasingly stringent emissions, they simply could not survive at those prices.

I don't think it was competition that killed them - they just couldn't survive in that environment.

Conversely, the Integra, Celica, Eclipse/Talon twins etc. did pretty well at that time.

The difference was the price point (and I note: factoring in inflation, the Toyobaru twins are actually amazingly cheap - definitely less than the last RSX-S and Celica GT-S).

Methinks the RX8 was done in by the MPGs and relatively high-maintenance rotary engine, and not competition.
yes they did cost more. i give you that. but i wouldnt put the twins in the same class with those fwd cars. market wise, it kinda sits in where the MR2 left off. its funny because all of those cars that you listed also got discontinued

one reason why the RX8 was dropped was because of its MPG. Mazda is reported to be working on a new rotary that will boost MPG by like 20% or so.

the main point is i guess we can kinda debate the small stuff all day. but when it comes down to it the twins are a niche product. if Nissan and or Honda were to enter this segment sales will most likely be stolen. Toyota will have less of the pie if you will, and with poor sales lend to discontinuation. i believe one of many reasons why the twins are doing good to decent in terms of sales is because the only other import that kinda competes i guess would be the MX-5 Miata (and some would say the FWD Si).

don't get me wrong, i welcome competition. but sales and shares maybe lost and than maybe no 2nd gen twins
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yes they did cost more. i give you that. but i wouldnt put the twins in the same class with those fwd cars. market wise, it kinda sits in where the MR2 left off. its funny because all of those cars that you listed also got discontinued

one reason why the RX8 was dropped was because of its MPG. Mazda is reported to be working on a new rotary that will boost MPG by like 20% or so.

the main point is i guess we can kinda debate the small stuff all day. but when it comes down to it the twins are a niche product. if Nissan and or Honda were to enter this segment sales will most likely be stolen. Toyota will have less of the pie if you will, and with poor sales lend to discontinuation. i believe one of many reasons why the twins are doing good to decent in terms of sales is because the only other import that kinda competes i guess would be the MX-5 Miata (and some would say the FWD Si).

don't get me wrong, i welcome competition. but sales and shares maybe lost and than maybe no 2nd gen twins
You'll get no argument from me.
The fact that the Celica, Eclipse and Integra/RSX all disappeared (to be replaced by the likes of the 3G/4G Eclipse and the tC) do point to a shift away from small, tossable sport compacts, and towards larger, more "practical" "sporty" tourers.

I'm hoping the new Miata is a smash hit - maybe that will provide a shot in the arm to Toyota/Subaru to improve the Twins.
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The Nissan IDx is just butt ugly. If it was out when I bought my BRZ, I wouldn't even have considered it. Even if it was 5-10K less.
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Nissan IDx still under development - report


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Nissan North American Vice President of Product Planning Pierre Liong recently said a production version of the IDx concept might not be "worth it" but Nissan's Corporate Vice President of Product Planning has now rebuffed his statements.

Talking to CarAdvice, Keno Kato said the model is "under preparation and development" but is still a 50/50 shot until it is officially green-lighted. Kato went on to suggest that Liong doesn't know what's he talking about because he is "under me" and Andy Palmer "is my boss" and has already said "we definitely will do one" of the iDX concepts.

Despite confirming that a production model is still under consideration, Kato said the biggest problem is deciding on which platform to use. Kato went on to say the model must be affordable because the Toyota 86 is "expensive enough to reject young people to access."
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The difference was the price point (and I note: factoring in inflation, the Toyobaru twins are actually amazingly cheap - definitely less than the last RSX-S and Celica GT-S).

Methinks the RX8 was done in by the MPGs and relatively high-maintenance rotary engine, and not competition.
Yep agree with all of the above.
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What I find interesting is that the North American VP of Product Planning said they can't justify it but the Corporate VP of Product Planning says there's a good chance it will be made.


I read that to mean: "We're building it but, as usual, North America probably won't get it"
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i wont pay too much to the comment made by the NA VP, hes below the chain of commend.
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Haha, was one of these the guy who said the FT86 was "a car for men going through middle-aged crises"?
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Haha, was one of these the guy who said the FT86 was "a car for men going through middle-aged crises"?
No actually that was Andy Palmer who is apparently at the top of the food chain, and he's the one who said they would definitely do one of the IDx concepts.
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Nissan IDx to lose the retro styling cues - report



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According to a recent report, the production version of the Nissan IDx concept will lose its retro styling cues.

Citing company insiders, Motoring is reporting the model will feature modern and muscular styling which draws inspiration from the Sports Sedan concept.

While the IDx Freeflow concept was originally envisioned to use a petrol engine that displaced between 1.2- and 1.5-liters, the production model is rumored to adopt a naturally-aspirated 2.0-liter unit that produces at least 181 bhp (135 kW). This would bring the model closer to its chief rival, the Toyota GT 86.

Little else is known about the car but it is expected to be launched in 2017 and ride on the same platform that underpins the next-generation Z sports car.
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well the sports sedan concept doesn't look bad

infact, if they cleaned it up it could look like a potential S16




just make it a coupe, light, nimble, and cheap to buy and insure
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