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Old 07-17-2014, 08:59 AM   #183
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So a reliable, affordable sports car that will drum up lots of demand isn't worth building?

But building a asymmetrical shoe box with a rug dash was worth building?

Building the ugliest electric car on the market and letting it collect dust on the dealer lots is worth building?

Giving 4 years to an overpriced crossover convertible was worth building?

As much crap as I give the twins for its shortcomings, I'm glad they had the sack to actually building the thing.
Preaching to the choir.

But it should come to no surprise that most automakers are attempting to answer the demand for inexpensive high volume cars. Small sports coupes are a niche, finicky market.
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Old 07-17-2014, 10:40 AM   #184
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I hope they consider a joint venture with another company.... No one expected the remake of the 86 to be built by Toyota & Subaru. 1 company trying to take on a joint OP. Between two other very reputable companies? Goodluck Nissan..try getting honda in on your side then that will help with the realization of production.

The design might change as well. Personally the fact that it looks similar to the old 510 doesn't sit right with me. The GT86 has stylings from the 2000GT not the 86...I agree with whoever said scrap this concept and make an S16 concept.
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Old 07-17-2014, 12:07 PM   #185
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I hope they consider a joint venture with another company.... No one expected the remake of the 86 to be built by Toyota & Subaru. 1 company trying to take on a joint OP. Between two other very reputable companies? Goodluck Nissan..try getting honda in on your side then that will help with the realization of production.

The design might change as well. Personally the fact that it looks similar to the old 510 doesn't sit right with me. The GT86 has stylings from the 2000GT not the 86...I agree with whoever said scrap this concept and make an S16 concept.
They don't need to consider anything partnership, they already have their group: Infinity-Nissan-Renault-Daimler.

There is absolutely no problem with building a small sportscar as Alpine (Renault), Nissan (Datsun?) and Mercedes (SLA). But they won't, they prefer building SUVs.
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Old 07-24-2014, 10:00 AM   #186
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I think it is retro in a similar way the current American muscle cars are. They really should build it and give this paint scheme a quirky name like Oliver.




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Old 07-24-2014, 10:09 AM   #187
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I think Nissan (and Kia for their GT4 Stinger) may be having second thoughts when they look at the perceived drop in interest in the Twins.
I suspect the main reason for doing this was because of the massive interest the Twins generated - they didn't want to miss the party.

Now it looks like the party wasn't much of a party from a business perspective (those of us already in the party are thoroughly enjoying ourselves, mind you).
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Old 07-25-2014, 09:58 AM   #188
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Looks just as stupid as it did when they first showed the concept..

Still not a fan.
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I think Nissan (and Kia for their GT4 Stinger) may be having second thoughts when they look at the perceived drop in interest in the Twins.
I suspect the main reason for doing this was because of the massive interest the Twins generated - they didn't want to miss the party.

Now it looks like the party wasn't much of a party from a business perspective (those of us already in the party are thoroughly enjoying ourselves, mind you).
A small affordable sports car a niche market. Toyota owns most of that market together with the MX-5. No place for rivals, because if place, low sales for all so not profitable. IMO sports car should not be profitable, just not make any loss.
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Its ok, this way theres less competition for the twins
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Its ok, this way theres less competition for the twins


Less competition is never a good thing. Companies get lazy and complacent when they don't have to worry about competitors.


If you're a GT86 fanboi who doesn't want to see it wither on the vine over the next ten years with little to no updates, like the Mazda RX-8 or Honda NSX, then you should want more competition not less.
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Less competition is never a good thing. Companies get lazy and complacent when they don't have to worry about competitors.


If you're a GT86 fanboi who doesn't want to see it wither on the vine over the next ten years with little to no updates, like the Mazda RX-8 or Honda NSX, then you should want more competition not less.
Lol less competition is never good? yeah let's recall the 90's when the Japanese flooded the market with sports cars.

FD RX7: rip
300ZX: rip
3000GT: rip
MK4 Supra: rip

RX8 had competition, it was called the 350z. NSX? How about the 911 and the rest of the competitors from Europe?

With or without competitors, Tada San has said the car will get yearly updates and that he is hoping for some kind of power bump for a mid cycle

If Nissan and Honda were to enter this market couldn't that mean sales of the twins maybe affected? with less sales that would only mean FRS/BRZ going rip.
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Old 07-26-2014, 11:32 AM   #193
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To be fair, those cars were all comparatively high-priced near-supercars because of the cutting edge technology they had.
Coupled with the economic turmoil in Japan, exchange rate fluctuations and increasingly stringent emissions, they simply could not survive at those prices.

I don't think it was competition that killed them - they just couldn't survive in that environment.

Conversely, the Integra, Celica, Eclipse/Talon twins etc. did pretty well at that time.
The difference was the price point (and I note: factoring in inflation, the Toyobaru twins are actually amazingly cheap - definitely less than the last RSX-S and Celica GT-S).

Methinks the RX8 was done in by the MPGs and relatively high-maintenance rotary engine, and not competition.
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this is a good example of the one time i'll love the production version over the concept. the concept is just too edgey and needs to be toned down
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Old 07-26-2014, 03:13 PM   #195
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Dear Nissan,

I'm writing you due to several recent posts that indicated that you who be re-thinking the release of the IDx concept.

I don't mean any disrespect by bringing this up. And I know you don't comment on rumor or speculation. So I'll just say this.

I believe the IDx could be something wonderful. It's a small coupe that looks great, just like the Toyota 86. And just like the 86, it looks to be affordable, which is fantastic for car people.

Nissan fans in the US adore the S-chassis cars (the 240sx, the Japanese 180sx and Silvias) and many have been clamoring for something along that line for a long time now. I think you may have it with the IDx.

What I think you need do to make it a success is

1. Promote it through Motorsport, namely drifting (many Nissan fans adore drifting).

2. Use the Jukes's MR16DDT as the engine (the fact that you're offering a factory turbo will entice would-be buyers of the 86/FR-S).

3. If IDx doesn't stick, then call it the 160sx (hitting the nostalgia bug for old owners of the 240sx).

4. Keep the price below $25k (which shouldn't be hard as the Juke ranges from $19k-$26k).

5. Make it "plucky" surprise the people, by making it it very responsive, agile, and fun. if you can get would-be buyers to smile during test drives, then you would've done your jobs.


I believe the IDx can not-only work, but excel with flying colors.

You just have to try.

Thank you for taking the time to read this letter,

I believe competition is a good thing. and the IDx is the prefect candidate.
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I believe competition is a good thing. and the IDx is the prefect candidate.
We agree, and are sending similar notes.
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