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This is what is hardest to communicate to people. Some of us want a car that is an extension of the driver, and I think the FRS/BRZ is that car. This is what makes the car fun, not a big turbo. As a lot of people have said there could be a lot of reasons why EVO decided to give the BRZ only 3.5 stars. But I'll bet that the BRZ or FRS will be plenty of fun for any regular enthusiast on the road, no drifting necessary. |
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^ I thought it was the autobox numbers that were higher than the manual actually?
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What I find funny is that I kind of saw this coming.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4997 It's a little surreal seeing a mag I really trust finding the same speedbump I foresee. Having a chassis good enough to put it into rarified handling territory shouldn't be a reason for a mediocre score though. It makes me wonder, if the chassis wasn't as good, would it have received a higher score? |
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Really, they will get a manual BRZ and GT86 for another piece and readjust their rating. The BRZ gets 4, the GT86 gets 4.5. Then when a more powerful engine becomes available they will hail them as the cars they always should have been: BRZ gets a 4.5 and GT85 gets 5. For those that care about such things all will be right with the world. EVO makes for a nice read while at the airport or on the train or having an afternoon pint, the ratings are largely meaningless and wholly bias.
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I wonder if the guy even turned off traction control (3-sec hold)...
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04-23-2012, 08:04 PM | #161 |
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Honestly, the negative reviews boil down to "needs more torque" and "tires suck for track use", neither of which are shocking.
The degree of tail-happiness was never a real selling point for me -- nice to know the chassis is as composed as promised. So, as I had already concluded, it will need a blower and better tires. |
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I assure you this, if this car was turbo/sc, and produced around 280-300hp, there would be no question that my money would be in Subaru's pocket right now. I can live with a mundane, sparse interior, I drive an Evo 8. I can't live with the motor. Suspensions are a lot less worrisome to mess with IMHO, and cheaper, to get some better handling from it, and getting it to respond more like you'd like it to. But when it comes to power, you can't put a cap on it like they have with this. I/E + Tune is not going to yield game changing numbers. It's a 2.0L, high-comp engine. Without significant, worrisome internal work, or just as scary aftermarket FI kits, I doubt this car is going to get the numbers I'd want it to have to balance out the chassis. Motor swaps too, within thoughts, while interesting (seeing a 2JZ in there was funny), can become a money-pitted nightmare. |
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The Z4 was designed as a convertible/roadster and the roadster version is lighter than the coupe, in both non-M and M versions.
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They have released this affordable 200bhp car and now have their 'affordable' baseline price. Say they add $5k for a 260bhp model, will people still sell their gran to get one?
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I believe the average priced financed car in the US now is 31k. No selling of grans required. But like I said, they can have their "affordable" NA version, and have a higher-end FI version. Trust me, nobody would be upset, at all. And if they are, there's something wrong with them.
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^Sure, but there has been so much hand wringing over the prices of these two cars, that I can imagine the FI versions going through the exact same thing. Hopefully when the time comes they get it right.
And there is no evidence to say there isn't a bunch of poor ol grandmas sitting somewhere while their kids drive around in new $31k cars ;-)
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I seel all the time Minis and A1s specced to up and more than 30k €.
I FI with 260-300 hp should be € 40k. It would still undercut most of the performance cars of the same class. |
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