ok this traction control is... out of control - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

dori. · 01-31-2013, 04:57 PM

I've noticed it before in small amounts when it was wet before.

The traction control gets really aggressive in the wet.

Last night it was raining like crazy, and I was hooning around with all the 'nannies' OFF (both traction/slip light) and I was still getting the TC and ABS kicking in (and flashing wildly on the dash). What gives?

I heard of some pedal dance technique you can use to totally disable it, but do I have to do it every time I get into the car?

Squishy · 01-31-2013, 05:00 PM

Pedal dance to disable nannies and yes this must be done everytime the car is started.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...sable+traction

Here is the thread where they talk more about when the EBD and traction light kicks in only during more aggressive braking scenarios.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...sable+traction

If this is not happening during only aggressive braking then you should verify you have fully disabled the VSC and traction and not just pushing the buttons to light up the two icons.

Here is a thread with a mod to disable the nannies with a timed relay to do the pedal dance basically at start up - but I think this is still not going to work until the condition of engine warm up is met but saves the inconvenience of the motions.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...sable+traction

GT86drifter · 01-31-2013, 05:02 PM

mines off for maximum fun

Calin · 01-31-2013, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dori.

I heard of some pedal dance technique you can use to totally disable it, but do I have to do it every time I get into the car?

Yup, unfortunately the pedal dance resets itself every time you turn the car off. I don't think there's any way to permanently disable it.

rhoyle · 01-31-2013, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dori.

I've noticed it before in small amounts when it was wet before.

The traction control gets really aggressive in the wet.

The traction control doesn't know that it's wet.

dsgerbc · 01-31-2013, 05:11 PM

'Pedal dance' is fine on the track. I'm not sure I'd want my EBD disabled on the street.

post_break · 01-31-2013, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Calin

Yup, unfortunately the pedal dance resets itself every time you turn the car off. I don't think there's any way to permanently disable it.

Removing the steering wheel turns everything off for good. Replace it with a race wheel and you won't have anything.

Dave-ROR · 01-31-2013, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by post_break

Removing the steering wheel turns everything off for good. Replace it with a race wheel and you won't have anything.

Or just unplug the clockspring.

wheelhaus · 01-31-2013, 05:27 PM

the "pedal dance" is to enter a diagnostic mode for troubleshooting, IIRC.

If nannies are turned off via the buttons, you've actually turned off only TC and VSC, which 99% of the time is what we're after. ABS and EBD are still left on (which is a very good thing in the vast majority of cases). You may still get the TC light flashing if you go Mr Dorifto, but it's only flashing to alert you of the condition.

Even for hooning or track days, you should not need the ABS and EBD disabled unless you really, REALLY need to, such as combinations of certain conditions/scenarios/setups on the track where driving at the limit can be disrupted by such devices' interaction.

SubieNate · 01-31-2013, 05:31 PM

The only time EBD really becomes an issues is when trail breaking into a corner. It tends to not like what's going on and wigs out a bit. @CSG Mike can speak to that.

Other than that, I've seen all kinds of videos where people are sliding these cars around like mad men with no problems. If the nannies weren't going off all the way (aside from EBD and ABS) this wouldn't really be possible, even in the wet.

Nathan

dsgerbc · 01-31-2013, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SubieNate

The only time EBD really becomes an issues is when trail breaking into a corner.

Yes, with some high-mu track pads. I'm sure electronics in our cars aren't calibrated for those. IIRC on stock pads in the rear, it's a non-issue.

post_break · 01-31-2013, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Or just unplug the clockspring.

Do tell!

Dave-ROR · 01-31-2013, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by post_break

Do tell!

Clockspring = steering angle sensor = TCS is broken. I'm not sure if it'll disable EBD but that's the same thing an aftermarket wheel without the clockspring is doing.

CSG Mike · 01-31-2013, 06:05 PM

I like to get some more rotation out of the car mid-corner by touching the brake sometimes... can't do it without the pedal dance

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Squishy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: 2013 WRB BRZ Location: Katy, TX Posts: 177 Thanks: 22 Thanked 78 Times in 54 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Pedal dance to disable nannies and yes this must be done everytime the car is started. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...sable+traction Here is the thread where they talk more about when the EBD and traction light kicks in only during more aggressive braking scenarios. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...sable+traction If this is not happening during only aggressive braking then you should verify you have fully disabled the VSC and traction and not just pushing the buttons to light up the two icons. Here is a thread with a mod to disable the nannies with a timed relay to do the pedal dance basically at start up - but I think this is still not going to work until the condition of engine warm up is met but saves the inconvenience of the motions. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...sable+traction

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wheelhaus Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2013 BRZ, 2020 KTM Super Duke 1290R Location: Denver Posts: 1,788 Thanks: 714 Thanked 1,141 Times in 624 Posts Mentioned: 49 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	the "pedal dance" is to enter a diagnostic mode for troubleshooting, IIRC. If nannies are turned off via the buttons, you've actually turned off only TC and VSC, which 99% of the time is what we're after. ABS and EBD are still left on (which is a very good thing in the vast majority of cases). You may still get the TC light flashing if you go Mr Dorifto, but it's only flashing to alert you of the condition. Even for hooning or track days, you should not need the ABS and EBD disabled unless you really, REALLY need to, such as combinations of certain conditions/scenarios/setups on the track where driving at the limit can be disrupted by such devices' interaction.

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SubieNate Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: 2013 FR-S Ultramarine Location: Temecula, CA Posts: 959 Thanks: 288 Thanked 560 Times in 269 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The only time EBD really becomes an issues is when trail breaking into a corner. It tends to not like what's going on and wigs out a bit. @CSG Mike can speak to that. Other than that, I've seen all kinds of videos where people are sliding these cars around like mad men with no problems. If the nannies weren't going off all the way (aside from EBD and ABS) this wouldn't really be possible, even in the wet. Nathan

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CSG Mike Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: S2000 CR Location: Orange County Posts: 14,533 Thanks: 8,920 Thanked 14,179 Times in 6,835 Posts Mentioned: 966 Post(s) Tagged: 14 Thread(s)	I like to get some more rotation out of the car mid-corner by touching the brake sometimes... can't do it without the pedal dance

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