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Old 07-17-2015, 04:11 PM   #169
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Right now I have Shiv's current tune open in RomRaider.
I can't figure out how to open Wayno's. Are they complete tunes or just tables that need to be created and pasted into an existing tune?
My car uses "A01D" files.


Edit: I found RR_ZA1JA01D.xml in Wayno's downloads, which looks like the definition I should be using. The only stage 1 definition I can find is "Stg1 98 v78 A01I.bin", which doesn't look right to me and won't open anyway.
I really want to try these improvements for the A/T vehicles and don't mind editing the values into Shiv's tune, but I can't even get Wayno's to open so I can copy them.
Go to the first post and download "WW 2015-07-02 OFT Defs". That contains an A01D definition with the additional tables in the OFT compatible format. There are no stage 1 or 2 definitions. The same definition is used for any stage for that CAL ID. Any word "stage" in the definition name is unintentional, and what's more important is the CAL ID series. The same definition is used for all stages of that particular CAL ID. Stages are just a naming convention indicating how aggressive the tables are adjusted for, while the CAL ID name indicates which ECU memory mapping is used to store the tables. Several ECU'S use the same mapping, so a lot of the OFT definitions are based on the B01D ECU memory mapping.
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Old 07-17-2015, 04:35 PM   #170
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I fear I'm being obtuse here, but it isn't deliberate. When I click on the folder to choose a tune to open, what am I pointing to in order to get the tables Wayno put all that work into creating? I have the definition selected but what about the tune itself?
I'm not finding a bin and an xml that match in Waynos downloads.
I can open Shiv's A01D using the xml from Wayno's download, but where are the tables with the new values?


Edit: I think I have it. I need to open Wayno's European tune. Are there any important differences between that and the US spec tune?

Edit 2: Just noticed that Steve99 explained this a couple of posts back.
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Old 07-18-2015, 05:33 AM   #171
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I started getting an IAM as low as .45 after using @Wayno's tweaks and 98 Octane tune with my 91 Octane gas, so I started trying to learn the easy way to back off timing. The answer isn't easy. So instead, I started looking for a lower octane map, and found wayno's v33 flattened maps from when he was just getting started adjusting timing. The flattened map pulled as much as 5 degrees and yet, my car runs better above 1.0 load then it ever has. It seems too much timing is a bad thing. It's a bit more sluggish below 1.0 load, but when I open it up, it really takes off! I know this isn't the right way to adjust timing, but it certainly was quick and easy.
Different tuning philosophy and their justifications are exactly that, different. Most of the time, I have no idea what you are trying to achieve and you don't appear to either.
I run more timing in most cases compared to wayno on the e85, basically because I have a different preference, not a single day at less than 1 for IAM for over a year now.
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Old 07-18-2015, 07:27 AM   #172
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I've used the timing from your latest 98 RON tune to add back into my v33 map. I figure it wasn't knocking below .3 load, so I started by pasting the first three columns in with RomRaider. Then I made tunes 0-.4, 0-.5, 0-.6, 0-.7 and etc. all the way up to 0-1.4, which has every column, so it would be identical. I've tried out tunes all the way up to .7 load so far without reducing my IAM, so I'm going to keep loading tunes till I get enough knock to pull IAM, then I'm going to log and analyse where it's coming from. I'm pretty sure it happened between .8 and 1.2 engine load, so I'm probably going to be logging knock tomorrow. @Wayno, when you talk about lumps in the map, you're talking about the 3d view right?
Make sure your using both the base timing B and the Knock Correction max A maps as total timing is the sum of both those tables.
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Old 07-18-2015, 05:32 PM   #173
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I have ended up using the same base timing B map as @Waynos latest stage 2 98 RON in the engine load columns 0-.7, and from .8-1.4 I've pulled from 1.76 to .35 timing. So far, no more IAM reductions. I'm logging now to see if I'm still getting some knock.
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I incorporated the changes in the v76 98RON map with the Stg. 2 OTS map I've been running. Didn't know my car was running that rich:
http://datazap.me/u/akyp/20150719-st...=0&data=1-6-11
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Old 07-19-2015, 01:43 AM   #175
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I incorporated the changes in the v76 98RON map with the Stg. 2 OTS map I've been running. Didn't know my car was running that rich:
http://datazap.me/u/akyp/20150719-st...=0&data=1-6-11
Lucky you, looks like even though you had some knock, it wasn't enough to reduce your IAM. I had to pull some timing to reduce enough knock to keep my IAM at 1. This pic shows how much timing I pulled from the 98 RON map to reduce knock from my tune. So far so good.
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I incorporated the changes in the v76 98RON map with the Stg. 2 OTS map I've been running. Didn't know my car was running that rich:
http://datazap.me/u/akyp/20150719-st...=0&data=1-6-11
Copied MAF scaling AT Stg2 E85 "AT1" from first post, pulled some timing at high rpms and did another log:
http://datazap.me/u/akyp/20150719-st...zoom=1174-1958

Still running rich but at least I think I'm on the right track, so thank you @Wayno.

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Lucky you, looks like even though you had some knock, it wasn't enough to reduce your IAM. I had to pull some timing to reduce enough knock to keep my IAM at 1. This pic shows how much timing I pulled from the 98 RON map to reduce knock from my tune. So far so good.
I need to pull timing as well, probably not as much as you. I also think the VVT tables don't suit my particular header (P&L EL 4-1 catted). A professional dyno tune is inevitable just waiting for the right time to do that.
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Old 07-20-2015, 01:23 AM   #177
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Dyno results are in.
Some more power mostly due to load limit changes, and updated MAF scale.
Yep, this is in winter where as the last one was in spring, but it proves the updates don't cause any loss of power.

Before: OTS 2.06 Stg2 EL E85 MT with full exhaust.


After: v77 SAME CAR with same mods except with stock cat-back and my default MAF scale.



Before: OTS 2.06 Stg2 UEL E85 AT with headers, overpipe and stock FP and cat-back.
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http://datazap.me/u/wayne/206-stg2-u...&zoom=893-1084


After: v74.AT1 SAME CAR with same mods except +catted FP. Still stock cat-back.
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http://datazap.me/u/wayne/v74-9-dyno...5&zoom=718-900
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This was the highest NA petrol car on the day.

v76 Stg2 EL BPB 98RON MT tune with default MAF scale

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Old 07-20-2015, 05:14 AM   #180
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Looks like 11.5 on petrol and 12.5 on e85 is what to aim for upper rpm

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Old 07-20-2015, 05:54 AM   #181
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That tailpipe reads about 0.5 high, on the E85 cars. E85 still try to hit 12.0 at 7200rpm, otherwise you knock, depending how sensitive your knock sensor is of course.

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Old 07-21-2015, 12:32 AM   #182
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I see for the MT E85 map is for UEL, I have EL header on mine can I still copy those table across or not.
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