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09-20-2013, 02:11 PM | #15 | |
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So its not a real sports car unless it has brake pads that can handle track days?
I can't take this forum anymore, its new bullshit everyday for this car.
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I have never found the brakes to be lacking and I would definitely have different brakes for track days. I firmly believe that it is a real sports car because that is why I bought it.
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I completely disagree with BOTH articles. The FR-S is NOT a starters sports car. I have owned multiple 500+hp Corvette's and I do not feel out of place one bit in the FR-S. It was not built as a straight line performance car. And just because the FR-S cost 25,000 does not make it a starter car. It is a fantastic driving car REGARDLESS of the price. It drives better than cars costing 3 times as much. And the Cayman has that God awful shape that resembles a 911. Horrible. As far as the Porsche being a dream car, I don't think so. Dream cars are named Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani, etc. Actually the FR-S looks more "exotic" than the Cayman. Did I make my point?
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a low powered rwd, neutral feeling car is a great beginners car, that can even excite experienced drivers just because of how easy you can throw the car around.
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A $20k sports car that leaves novice owners embedded in trees would not make a good starter car. A $20k sports car that acts like its price won't train the user how to properly handle a performance platform. Fundamentally, a good "starter sports car" will have to be an at least passable sports car and, as everyone points out, the twins are very good sports cars. Possibly the only feature of the 86 which is at odds between "good sports car" and "good starter sports car" is the lack of excess power. It helps keep newbies (like myself) out of trouble but I can understand how some drivers can find it limiting. Just because something's good for (or even designed for) amateurs doesn't make it inadequate for serious users. |
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The tidbit about track use/spirited driving was in reference to the weak points on our cars. If you got a more "pure" sports car, the weak points aren't so glaring. A 350Z track edition comes to mind. There will always be a trade-off for what we get with our cars, the FRS/BRZ is a good starting point for someone wanting to get a sports car without breaking the bank, or someone else looking for a car that can get a lot more performance and bang for the buck with a few minor mods (i.e. most of us, myself included). That's all I was getting at. -alex |
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Thanks for the clarification. Obviously there was a little misperception going on with the words that you chose. I for one read your other posts as that our cars are: a) not sports cars and b) not enthusiast cars. There are many here that would disagree with those points. Certainly, we don't know your history of cars to judge, but, it is a natural reaction to see simply the guy that drives an appliance is judging whether the FR-S is a sports car..........certainly one does not need to own an FR-S to make for a qualified opinion, but, it doesn't hurt either. |
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Brake pads, fluid, and oil cooler are the same three upgrades you'd want on the Twins. Probably tires as well so that's one additional item, but the RE040's on the 350z aren't really track tires either, so you'd probably want to replace them at some point anyway. The big difference to me is that the Twins are nearly 500 lbs. lighter and you'll feel that mass in every turn on the track. I think you might be saying cars like the 350z track are incrementally more track-ready than the Twins, but I think that's arguable both ways and certainly the difference in either direction isn't great enough to say one is clearly a sports car and the other not based on that. Just my 2c.
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If you haven't seen the video, it has great production values and can be found on both YouTube and Vimeo. |
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Magnificent production I hadn't seen, well worth 21 minutes of everyone's time who hasn't seen it. Thanks for the tip. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYrvhkIivgA"]Epic Scion FR-S, Toyota GT86 test drive: racetrack, drift & cross-continental dash - HD - YouTube[/ame] I think I'll go out to the garage to admire my car now. |
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