More Horsepower! - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

joe strummer · 05-08-2016, 04:35 AM

Lots of folks, on this forum and elsewhere, complain about the HP of our beloved car.

So if you had, say, 50% more HP, what would you do with it? How would you use it? How would it improve the FR-S? And please, no freeway on-ramp stories.

soulreapersteve · 05-08-2016, 05:42 AM

I'd do the same thing I've been doing since purchasing the car last year, drive it everywhere like a Corolla and hit up auto-x (and possibly track) if/when I get a chance to...

ZionsWrath · 05-08-2016, 06:42 AM

The correct answer is still

"it would be perfect with 50 more HP"

joe strummer · 05-08-2016, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

The correct answer is still

"it would be perfect with 50 more HP"

Too easy of an answer. Why is 50 more horsepower perfect? What does 50 more HP do?

themadscientist · 05-08-2016, 07:43 AM

Gives you some actual power to move the car with authority. You wouldn't have to keep it leaning on the redline just to get some work done. No more sand getting kicked in your face, no sir.

billwot · 05-08-2016, 08:28 AM

"It's not about power. If you can't go fast with 90 horsepower, 900 ain't gonna help ya." - Bob Hall, creator of the Miata

https://twitter.com/furmy/status/457174998596079616

themadscientist · 05-08-2016, 08:30 AM

But I can go fast with 90hp. And?

I WANT TO GO FASTER!

Doubletap · 05-08-2016, 10:02 AM

I'd rather have more torque. The HP on this car is fine.

Mim · 05-08-2016, 10:30 AM

Much as I am now, I would continue to refine other aspects of the car to suit my own tastes. I love the throttle response of an NA setup so I tried a new FD ratio along with a lighter drive shaft, which did wonders with both throttle response and in gear acceleration.

I wanted to see what effect adding some bracing would have. Boy that actually had a great effect with settling down the front end. Also just fitted the TRD door stabilizers but, I'll need more seat time to get a feel for whether they really did more than add some bling. The change in handling has me now eyeballing other bracing like the STI draw brace.

This article goes into some more detail around flexible STI braces, quite the oxymoron if you ask me, but proof in the pudding was trying the STI flexible strut brace so now I'm a convert.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/subar...s-first-drive/

Overall I'm working to massage the current package to be more efficient at what it does. Its become a really fun learning process for me as in the past I would do some light mods like a cat back + stereo and call it a day, but this car is constantly goading me along to try something more.

shiumai · 05-08-2016, 10:50 AM

You could ask the same thing about better handling and suspension mods. You can make use of the extra horsepower in the same places you need the car to handle better.

billwot · 05-08-2016, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doubletap

I'd rather have more torque. The HP on this car is fine.

HP=torqueXrpm/5252

Torque is what makes HP. More torque would mean more HP.

mdm · 05-08-2016, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billwot

HP=torqueXrpm/5252

Torque is what makes HP. More torque would mean more HP.

Unless torque was increased only at low rpm, or the high-er torque engine did not rev as high.

JD001 · 05-08-2016, 11:44 AM

I would take the extra 50bhp and stick it in trunk saving it for a rainy day.

billwot · 05-08-2016, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdm

Unless torque was increased only at low rpm, or the high-er torque engine did not rev as high.

Look at the equation...an increase in torque will result in an increase in HP at any RPM. It's a mathematical certainty.

05-08-2016, 04:35 AM	#1
joe strummer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Drives: 2013 FR-S Location: HI Posts: 236 Thanks: 150 Thanked 157 Times in 90 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	More Horsepower! Lots of folks, on this forum and elsewhere, complain about the HP of our beloved car. So if you had, say, 50% more HP, what would you do with it? How would you use it? How would it improve the FR-S? And please, no freeway on-ramp stories. __________________ Gold. That is a very decent effort, although I fear Ben is about to discover a worst species of person than a deranged fake-bomb builder: judgemental internet arseholes.

05-08-2016, 06:42 AM	#3
ZionsWrath Thanks Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: BRZ Location: NY Posts: 4,163 Thanks: 5,989 Thanked 3,100 Times in 1,498 Posts Mentioned: 38 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	The correct answer is still "it would be perfect with 50 more HP" __________________

05-08-2016, 10:30 AM	#9
Mim Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: MY11 Maxima 350st, MY15 BRZ Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 534 Thanks: 304 Thanked 342 Times in 185 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Much as I am now, I would continue to refine other aspects of the car to suit my own tastes. I love the throttle response of an NA setup so I tried a new FD ratio along with a lighter drive shaft, which did wonders with both throttle response and in gear acceleration. I wanted to see what effect adding some bracing would have. Boy that actually had a great effect with settling down the front end. Also just fitted the TRD door stabilizers but, I'll need more seat time to get a feel for whether they really did more than add some bling. The change in handling has me now eyeballing other bracing like the STI draw brace. This article goes into some more detail around flexible STI braces, quite the oxymoron if you ask me, but proof in the pudding was trying the STI flexible strut brace so now I'm a convert. http://www.motortrend.com/news/subar...s-first-drive/ Overall I'm working to massage the current package to be more efficient at what it does. Its become a really fun learning process for me as in the past I would do some light mods like a cat back + stereo and call it a day, but this car is constantly goading me along to try something more. __________________ MY15 CWP A/T BRZ \| Leather heated seats \| STI CAI filter, A/T leather shifter, strut brace, V-brace, draw stiffener, battery tie down, Radiator cap, Oil cap, push start button \| TRD door stabilizer \| YoSpeed STI console garnish \| Pioneer AVIC-F70DAB + Rev-camera, TS-WX710A sub \| JL speakers, Amp \| TOMS' Clear Brake Lights \| Cusco 4.556 FD \| Driveshaft Shop aluminum shaft \| Tein FlexZ, EDFC AP+GPS \| Crawford BPB

05-08-2016, 10:50 AM	#10
shiumai Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 2013 DGM BRZ, 2020 C8 Corvette Location: USofA! Posts: 1,760 Thanks: 963 Thanked 1,893 Times in 787 Posts Mentioned: 41 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	You could ask the same thing about better handling and suspension mods. You can make use of the extra horsepower in the same places you need the car to handle better. __________________ My DGM BRZ vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OL9OhxexAA My car journal thread: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43402

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