CSG Mike's 2017 BRZ + Ace A350 dynos. - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

CSG Mike · 08-22-2017, 07:48 PM

I'll let the numbers speak for themselves.

2017 BRZ
Ace A350 header w/ CSG ceramic coating
DT Ace tune
OEM FP
OEM exhaust
OEM intake
OEM engine
you get the idea...

Ace/ACN91 18% gain
Ace/E70 25% gain

RJasonKlein · 08-22-2017, 10:44 PM

Thanks for sharing this information @CSG Mike - are the three traces representing pulls for the baseline, ACN91, and E70?

Teseo · 08-22-2017, 10:49 PM

Asuming the orange/yellow line is stock, right?
Any chance you guys will do with e85?

Jasonb · 08-22-2017, 10:50 PM

Crazy numbers for just a header and a tune. Is it UEL or EL?

Dr. BRZ · 08-22-2017, 11:13 PM

Wtf?! I have a 2013 brz FULLY bolt ons and I make 205whp with e85 tune.

Code Monkey · 08-22-2017, 11:56 PM

I think I know what my next mod will be.

FirstWinter · 08-23-2017, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jasonb

Crazy numbers for just a header and a tune. Is it UEL or EL?

ACE 350 is EL

justinco · 08-23-2017, 12:47 AM

Dang, just saw this on reddit and asked you a bunch of questions. But, you answered most of them here 😁

CSG Mike · 08-23-2017, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJasonKlein

Thanks for sharing this information @CSG Mike - are the three traces representing pulls for the baseline, ACN91, and E70?

Yes sir. Baseline, ACN91, and E70 (flex).

Rolla · 08-23-2017, 03:08 AM

@CSG Mike Much difference expected for RHD and the CS400?

justinco · 08-23-2017, 10:52 AM

I am really curious how your stock dyno graph is so smooth. Mine looks nothing like that. In fact, my full bolt-on tuned version looks like your stock version (from a graph pov).

Is your stock baseline also tuned to just flatten out the torque dip? Did you do a test where you tune the car just in stock form, to see how much gain is actually from the tune versus the header?

I am still really skeptical that these things make so much more power than any other header. Assuming the graph is whp and not flywheel, like it says, this would suggest that I could gain another 10-15whp from just swapping in the header and DT tune. I find that hard to believe, since my max power gains were only 3hp/tq over stock with full bolt-ons and ECUtek e-tune (power under the curve was obviously big gains in mid-range).

However, I would love to be wrong so I can buy one of these and get the extra power. Maybe it's the difference in EL versus UEL? (I have UEL header).

My stock and tuned graphs are below.

brzaapi · 08-23-2017, 11:06 AM

In my experience with BRZs I have driven several setups.

MY13 - Stock
MY13 - FBM premium turbo kit 91 and E85
MY15 - OFH OFT
MY15 - OFH OFT and Phantom ESC
MY15 - Ecutek Tomei UEL
MY15 - DT tune ACE350 E85 and 91
MY17 - Dt tune Ace350 E85 and 91
MY17 - DT tune Ace 350 and Edelbrock SC

All the setups I have driven spiritedly. Some I have AX and HPDEd. That being said, when speaking about just headers...the ACE350 is in a class all on its own. Will it transform your car....no, its a header, but will it make your twin the best version of itself in realitively stock form....YES.

I have bought two Ace headers for two different BRZs, I believe it to be worth the money...but its not cheap nor the only header to enjoy the car more than stock. But I personally wouldn't own a twin without the ACE header. In fact when I drive a stock BRZ, the experience is lessened now knowing what I am missing without the ACE. ACE has made driving a Stock BRZ a touch painful. I could stand losing my SC, or even tires, suspension upgrades, etc....and still enjoy driving the BRZ. But without the ACE I truly do not enjoy the car as much. So for the enjoyment alone I would buy the ACE, if its in your budget I recommend it.

justinco, I always enjoy your videos and I think you would appreciate the header. But, I hate to give a raving endorsement and then have someone not feel the same way. Try to find one and drive it. Cause its better, but is worth the money......I can't answer that for you. Good luck.

EDIT - Any BRZ I own would have the ACE350 and the DTFF kit w/ tune. Flex and header run well, that would be my minimal setup and I could live happy with just those two mods.

jmark · 08-23-2017, 11:21 AM

Am I reading the graph correctly that where the stock torque dip is the worst you have 155 ft/lbs with the 91 octane tune? CSG Mike what does a Ace A350 header w/ CSG ceramic coating
DT Ace tune cost shipped to 29651 Greer SC?

TylerLieberman · 08-23-2017, 11:26 AM

30whp on just a header + tune on 91?

I know which header I'm getting

08-22-2017, 07:48 PM	#1
CSG Mike Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: S2000 CR Location: Orange County Posts: 14,531 Thanks: 8,920 Thanked 14,177 Times in 6,835 Posts Mentioned: 966 Post(s) Tagged: 14 Thread(s)	CSG Mike's 2017 BRZ + Ace A350 dynos. I'll let the numbers speak for themselves. 2017 BRZ Ace A350 header w/ CSG ceramic coating DT Ace tune OEM FP OEM exhaust OEM intake OEM engine you get the idea... Ace/ACN91 18% gain Ace/E70 25% gain

08-23-2017, 12:47 AM	#8
justinco btr.life Join Date: Aug 2015 Drives: 2022 GR86 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,099 Thanks: 662 Thanked 1,094 Times in 491 Posts Mentioned: 23 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Dang, just saw this on reddit and asked you a bunch of questions. But, you answered most of them here 😁 __________________ 2022 Toyota GR86 - The BTR Garage 1994 BMW 325is \| 2013 Scion FRS \| 2017 Subaru BRZ

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justinco btr.life Join Date: Aug 2015 Drives: 2022 GR86 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,099 Thanks: 662 Thanked 1,094 Times in 491 Posts Mentioned: 23 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I am really curious how your stock dyno graph is so smooth. Mine looks nothing like that. In fact, my full bolt-on tuned version looks like your stock version (from a graph pov). Is your stock baseline also tuned to just flatten out the torque dip? Did you do a test where you tune the car just in stock form, to see how much gain is actually from the tune versus the header? I am still really skeptical that these things make so much more power than any other header. Assuming the graph is whp and not flywheel, like it says, this would suggest that I could gain another 10-15whp from just swapping in the header and DT tune. I find that hard to believe, since my max power gains were only 3hp/tq over stock with full bolt-ons and ECUtek e-tune (power under the curve was obviously big gains in mid-range). However, I would love to be wrong so I can buy one of these and get the extra power. Maybe it's the difference in EL versus UEL? (I have UEL header). My stock and tuned graphs are below. Attached Images __________________ 2022 Toyota GR86 - The BTR Garage 1994 BMW 325is \| 2013 Scion FRS \| 2017 Subaru BRZ

08-23-2017, 11:21 AM	#13
jmark Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Drives: '97 NSX-T, '18 Type R Location: Greer SC Posts: 271 Thanks: 223 Thanked 154 Times in 97 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Am I reading the graph correctly that where the stock torque dip is the worst you have 155 ft/lbs with the 91 octane tune? CSG Mike what does a Ace A350 header w/ CSG ceramic coating DT Ace tune cost shipped to 29651 Greer SC? Last edited by jmark; 08-23-2017 at 12:13 PM.

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TylerLieberman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: '24 GR86 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,675 Thanks: 655 Thanked 3,343 Times in 1,576 Posts Mentioned: 16 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	30whp on just a header + tune on 91? I know which header I'm getting __________________ Old 2013 FRS Build Thread (SOLD) Hakone 86 GR Build Thread (SOLD)

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RJasonKlein Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S 10 Series Location: Clarendon Hills, IL Posts: 617 Thanks: 441 Thanked 356 Times in 202 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Thanks for sharing this information @CSG Mike - are the three traces representing pulls for the baseline, ACN91, and E70?

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Teseo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Drives: frs Location: Gunsai Posts: 4,877 Thanks: 7,153 Thanked 2,922 Times in 1,769 Posts Mentioned: 23 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Asuming the orange/yellow line is stock, right? Any chance you guys will do with e85?

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Jasonb Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Drives: 17 Series Yellow BRZ Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 190 Thanks: 20 Thanked 47 Times in 40 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Crazy numbers for just a header and a tune. Is it UEL or EL?

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