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Old 02-06-2018, 10:36 AM   #15
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Open dif... Boooooo

However any M car is better than a brz in every way
Not really
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LOL... Go test drive the cheapest M car.. an M2.. if they let you.. and see for yourself. There's nothing the twins can do that an M2 cant however there are things the M2 can do that the twins cant.. I'm all for the twins beat everything mentality... I love this car but sometimes you just have to be objective and other than looks (I agree they ugly and boxy)... M cars take it in every way.

No need to be upset tho it's a silly comparison in the first place. Price Price Price.
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LOL... Go test drive the cheapest M car.. an M2.. if they let you.. and see for yourself. There's nothing the twins can do that an M2 cant however there are things the M2 can do that the twins cant.. I'm all for the twins beat everything mentality... I love this car but sometimes you just have to be objective and other than looks (I agree they ugly and boxy)... M cars take it in every way.

No need to be upset tho it's a silly comparison in the first place. Price Price Price.
Sorry chief, see my earlier post
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No No. First of all your post on weight and seat position was talking about the M240i. My post was referring to M cars. The M240i Although it has an M in it's name... is NOT an M car. (Before you say oh but you said "any" and the brz beats a "...insert old BMW m car of your choice..." I must clarify that by "ANY" I was referring to models you can currently buy new only.

Now that that's cleared up.

More weight?.. trust me you don't feel it.
Higher seat position?? Preference thing but still... GO sit in an M2. I Guaranty you wont be thinking 'Oh man I wish I was 2 cm lower to the ground.
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Open dif... Boooooo

However any M car is better than a brz in every way (Makes sense given the price point). Can't compare non-M bmws to M models and I don't mean the M they slap in front of any 240 340 440 ect.. M2 is the only car I've driven that feels tighter than a frs.

Also reliability not the greatest on non-M Bmws. They are lease cars for sure. M models different story altogether.

As far as a supercharged brz over m240... No question the brz takes it. M2 would be different but you are fooling yourself if you think tuning your 240 to M2 power means you'll have anythinng even remotely close to an actual M2.
The M2 STARTS at 55K. No M2 is going to better than a twin with 30K in mods...

You're talking 500 n/a hp or 650+ FI power with 30K in mods...

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See the Pure Automotive swap thread... 8 second car for less than 47K...and before you even start straight line only b.s. that's what they built, you can make the car anything you want... 30k in mods done right can be insane...
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The M2 STARTS at 55K. No M2 is going to better than a twin with 30K in mods...

You're talking 500 n/a hp or 650+ FI power with 30K in mods...

Jaden

See the Pure Automotive swap thread... 8 second car for less than 47K...and before you even start straight line only b.s. that's what they built, you can make the car anything you want... 30k in mods done right can be insane...
There's more to "better" than just HP but that's a topic for another thread.
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There's more to "better" than just HP but that's a topic for another thread.
30K in mods to an 86 will make it better IN EVERY WAY (except maybe interior) than an M2...

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30K in mods to an 86 will make it better IN EVERY WAY (except maybe interior) than an M2...

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Possibly. Depends on what you are looking for.
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you can make the car anything you want... 30k in mods done right can be insane...
This is true. Spending more than what your twin is worth on upgrading your twin is a crazy thought indeed. 50K+ tho and I wouldn't be looking at either of these cars tbh.
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30K in mods to an 86 will make it better IN EVERY WAY (except maybe interior) than an M2...

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I see your point, but I hate when threads devolve into this. 99.9% of people with that kind of money aren't going to buy a brz and add 30k in mods, they are just going to buy the m2. More realistically a person would buy a BRZ and invest 3-4k in mods if they were inclined to mod it in the first place, In this more realistic scenario I know which car I would rather have.

If you spend 30k in mods you really should have just considered building a race car from scrap metal, how much work does the car really need to be "acceptable" in your mind?? (not you personally, rhetorical)
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I failed to mention that I am a previous FR-S owner.

Had one for two years before I got rid of it and bought a 2015 Z51 Corvette.

I know all about what the twins feel like, handle like, sound like, and how they perform.

My previous ownership experience is the reason why I put $1k down on the tS.

The twins are not perfect but they are absolutely great at what they were intended for.
They just need more freaking power (IMO). Even with a full exhaust and tune I still wish they had about 50 more hp.

For those of you touting a 30k difference thats not true. BRZ starts at 26k and a M240i starts at 46k.

You can do a lot with 20k no doubt. Maybe I should get a premium and do more mods myself.

I chose the tS because I felt like the value for what you get isnt that bad.

This is the VS section which I posted here because the entire point of this section is comparing the BRZ to other cars not just making blanket "the twins are the best everything else sux" comments.
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So I didnt find any threads on this and figured I'd start one.

I test drove one of these Saturday and thought while not in the same price range they vehicles are in the same size very similar when driving.

The m240i comes stock with 335hp and you can get it tuned from BMW to have the same output as a M2 (360hp) and keep your factory warranty.

The sitting position is very similar to a twin, the cabin size is almost exactly the same, and the overall feel is great.

Of course the biggest difference is when you put in your foot in it. The m240i even with the base 335hp feels like a rocketship compared to a twin.

So after incentives I could buy a m240i for about $46k.

Right now I have a BRZ ts on order and its sticker is $35.8k.
I'm going to boost the BRZ with most likely a Edelbrock Supercharger.
Installed that should cost around $7k and get me to ~300 crank hp.
Total that would easily put me at 42-43k.

Would it be worth it to spend ~3k more on the BMW?

BMW no contest,

If you are buying a tS and modding it that defeat the purpose of getting a tS to be honest? since you gonna mod, you can pick up a near new 2017 brz with performance package for 10 grand less. if that's the case then go with BRZ all day.


Remember that the US tS is not like the tS they had in japan. There are only few minor upgrades that you can purchase yourself + body kit & wing.










***Oh hey but if you are still getting the tS and Supercharge/turbocharge it, I call dips on those 18x7.5 sti wheels. You wont have near enough traction with the tire setup you can go with those wheels. 1st in line, don't fight with me guys.

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I do see that you can add a LSD on the M240i for $2500.
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BMW no contest,

If you are buying a tS and modding it that defeat the purpose of getting a tS to be honest? since you gonna mod, you can pick up a near new 2017 brz with performance package for 10 grand less. if that's the case then go with BRZ all day.

Remember that the US tS is not like the tS they had in japan. There are only few minor upgrades that you can purchase yourself + body kit & wing.
A. I was buying the tS because it had every mod I would do on my own with the exception of the supercharger.

B. I disagree with you on the tS modifications and their value.

ts has:
Tires and wheels
Body kit
Wing
Interior and head unit upgrades
Tuned suspension
Bracing and stiffners

Some of those things you cannot buy.
And furthermore if you bought all of these things yourself on top of a premium BRZ you would likely spend just as much or more money.
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