Official: Toyota FT-1 Concept / First New Supra Prototype Spotted!

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by yelsew

You can ditch the spare tire and get some extra crammed in the frunk

When I first bought the car the battery terminals were ancient and causing all kinds of problems. I removed the spare to replace the terminals and never put it back in.

I'm hoping to get the car's weight to 2,6XXlbs without any major interior gutting. That would be cool.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ermax

I probably will not see 10 people at random today but I can ask random (non-car) people around my office. Sounds like an interesting experiment. So what is the question?

"Do you know what a Supra is?"

or

"Do you know what a Toyota Supra is?"

Edit: Just asked a 56 year old female:
"Do you know what a Supra is?"
"Yeah... a Toyota Supra?"
"Yes"
"Why"
"Just asking"
"It is my granson's favourite car"

Eplained

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Horrid_Funk

“First of all, the Supra has always had an inline six-cylinder engine, and of course we have that with the new car, too."

He doesn't say only I6, or say anything about I4. So really nothing of substance was said in this interview, except maybe the remark about this being their last real petrol sports car. Which is also just speculation on his part.

I feel like I just need to start ignoring everything until an official spec sheet comes out.

That is actually a good point. So he give no details in the interview published by Toyota but tells a random internet editor some very important news? I presume that the two things occurred at the same event.

"How do you think the new A90 will be received by hardcore Supra fans?
Tada: “I’m really looking forward to hearing from them, actually. Thinking back to the introduction of the GT86, some owners of classic AE86 models were quite hard to please and were very critical of the new car. So it may be similar with this car. I know there are hardcore owners of the previous generations out there and it may be hard to convince them just by introducing a new car."
Would this question not be a great opportunity to say 'we have a couple of options that should please most fans' or something like that?

Maybe I am overthinking the whole thing but it makes zero sense to me that he told one person when they haven't even released any official stats yet.

[R_E_L]

Originally Posted by HachiRokuX

While we’re having this discussion..are any of you actually planning to buy this new Supra? The TT i6 version is rumored to be around 55k-64k. If I ever get one, it will be in 5-6 years if I don’t do anything silly like get married or have kids I’m still learning things new things about the 86 anyways.


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If the 4 cyl comes in under 3k lbs and is offered with a stick? Yes... AFTER paying off my BRZ

But yeah seeing how cars like this are disappearing, I doubt I’d have many options. Besides, even though it took 6 years, I did buy a twin in the end

[RayRay88]

If it comes with BMW drivetrain, it's going to be a nightmare to modify. Don't expect more than Intake and exhaust and maybe a piggy back tune Spliced into the harness. Untill someone cracks the ECU, it's going to intervene at every modification.

Also, when (not if) the twins die, I'd be willing to bet money on a hybrid replacement. (Think CR-Z but better sorted)

Toyota has been pushing hard to correlate their WEC hybrid to their road cars, and if the Toyota GR HV Concept is any indication, that'll be the first to get the hybrid powertrain. (Ok maybe second after their GR Super sports car).

[Mr. Kurtz]

Rumors about the Supra are what led me to buy my 86. My plan was always to get the new Supra when it came out, and transition the 86 to my winter/trackday car.



That plan relied on the new Supra having two things: ~400hp, and a targa top. It looks like it will have neither. I'll reserve judgement until I see true official production details, but at this point, I can't see myself buying one.

[Vracer111]

I just have a request on the Camaro...please never refer to their handling as "nimble", okay? The new generation may handle extremely well for the rediculous mass they have been burdened with, but 'nimbleness' is not the correct term to associate with their handling. 'Planted', 'precise', 'quick', or 'direct'....sure... 'nimble'... no. I built a '98 Camaro RS hardtop track/autocross car (because lightest 4th Gen made and it had won Nationals in GS), stripped will full tank weighed in just over 3,100lbs and had MASSIVE antirollbar/Koni shocks/stock spring setup to really increase steering speed and rotation, with full spherical bearing and tubular arm rear suspension and 275/40-17 DOT-R Nitto 555R2s and 17x9.5 corvette Z06 replica wheels. WAY better than the stock car...and the brakes were AWESOME, yet it still was not a nimble car - very much a happier at steady state handling vehicle which could pull some nice G's and translate quick. But slolams though... yeah you could feel the mass and slowness of its rotation in the steering wheel - even though much quicker and precise than stock in yaw.

The '90 Integra RS track car I had would run circles around it and accelerate just as quickly... it is what could be considered a nimble car. Weighing right under 2,300lbs full tank, shifting the weight bias more forwards while also dropping the CG, its suspension setup, the 8lb flywheel, and 3M windo-welding the trailing arm bushings all added up to it rotating quicker than my modded FR-S does and with a slightly shorter wheelbase - really had to be on the ball with that car, but EXTREMELY fun on track. Actually ate cones the first few autocross runs shaking it down because it turned in too quickly compared to before the changes... and the accelerator pedal was actually the yaw control pedal...used it to precisely rotate the rear around slolams with more precision than the FR-S.

If you say nimble, I'm expecting it to feel like something along the lines of an extremely low rotational polar inertia vehicle, i.e. a Lotus Elise, Toyota MR2 (1st gen or Spyder), twin on a diet, etc... In other words a LOW mass vehicle with direct resulting unimpeded change of direction with ZERO hesistation. I know the newer Camaros can change direction quickly with that nice optional suspension but nimbleness is a matter of yaw feeling and effortlessness from lack of mass. Camaros fall very short in the 'lack of mass' category and don't have a low polar moment of inertia/high yaw rate - they translate quick, not yaw quick.

Okay, you are now free to resume guessing how much even the skinniest Supra will end up weighing...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

How about this real interview released by Toyota.


Did he forget there is going to be a 4 version or just didn't bother mentioning it when asked about what the fans should know?


http://blog.toyota.co.uk/new-toyota-...r-tetsuya-tada




This sounds ominous though:


Tada- “Looking at the current automotive industry, the talk is all about autonomous driving, electrification and artificial intelligence. What that’s doing is giving rise to a lot of strict regulations, and that limits our capacity to make emotional sports cars; it’s getting much more difficult to do that. So for the fifth point, I think the new Supra will be the last present from Toyota to those who enjoy hearing the pleasing sound of a pure petrol engine at high revs."

Originally Posted by RayRay88

If it comes with BMW drivetrain, it's going to be a nightmare to modify. Don't expect more than Intake and exhaust and maybe a piggy back tune Spliced into the harness. Untill someone cracks the ECU, it's going to intervene at every modification.

Also, when (not if) the twins die, I'd be willing to bet money on a hybrid replacement. (Think CR-Z but better sorted)

Toyota has been pushing hard to correlate their WEC hybrid to their road cars, and if the Toyota GR HV Concept is any indication, that'll be the first to get the hybrid powertrain. (Ok maybe second after their GR Super sports car).

Yep. Tada pretty much says that outright in the real interview.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by HachiRokuX

While we’re having this discussion..are any of you actually planning to buy this new Supra?

No because:

• It's a Supra in name only
• It is a 2 seater and not a 2+2
• It's more BMW than Toyota
• There are other two seaters I'd rather own than a BMW

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

No because:

• It's a Supra in name only
• It is a 2 seater and not a 2+2
• It's more BMW than Toyota
• There are other two seaters I'd rather own than a BMW

Yep to all.
I still think that the $50 to $65K prices being knocked around are going to be low. For just a little more I could get the V6 Jag Type F which is tough to beat for quality.

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by abraxis

Only if it's 1000kg or less. You could always dump your fat girlfriend and use the passenger area.

How many grocery bags can I fit in my lap?
Man, a real frunk (the MRS did not have one like the SW20) would've been great!

[HachiRokuX]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

No because:

• It's a Supra in name only
  
• It is a 2 seater and not a 2+2
  
• It's more BMW than Toyota
  
• There are other two seaters I'd rather own than a BMW
  

I can’t help but think the new Supra will be criticized the same way the 86 is right now. I already see people saying

-“lol I could get a used XYZ for the price of a Supra” (valid though)
-“Auto only lol”
-“looks like a little BRZ/Miata”
-“60k for 350hp? Lol” (86 is critiqued for being a bad value against eco boost mustang etc.)

Etc.

I actually forgot about the RCF in this discussion. It’s a weird time when a car like that seems like more of a Supra successor than the new Supra. That said, I drove one and it handles like a boat. Definitely feels like a modded GSF.

The Supra seems more like an upscale 86, with two less seats..still want it, might be a fun track car






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[funwheeldrive]

Don't forget the 86 isnt even a Toyota, it's a rebadged Subaru.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Don't forget the 86 isnt even a Toyota, it's a rebadged Subaru.

The same as the "Supra" is a rebadged BMW.