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NoHaveMSG · 10-09-2019, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CrowsFeast

Then I must be very sensitive and/or the torque dip gets worse with age. When I'm just giv'n 'er a bit more on the street I don't plan on keeping it around redline the whole time; I like to use the mid-range RPM, right where the dip is. That and some of the creature comforts are what make me miss my E46 zhp.

I do need to get more track time with this thing to hopefully make me fall in love (should be able to keep out of the dip there, unless the gearing is really unsuited to the track). The first (and only so far) was a 3 lap start that ended without an engine.

It's a 2 liter motor. Even without the dip, it is not like it would have much torque there that you would want to drive it in the mid-range.

Gearing is going to be track dependent. Pre-17' gearing is not bad, a bit tall. I find the post-17' and up a bit better over a wider variety of tracks.

yurikaze · 10-09-2019, 12:55 PM

I don't think it was the intention, but an original AE86 dips in the same spot, right before TVIS activates on the 4AGE. So it really is a modern hachiroku. haha.

NoHaveMSG · 10-09-2019, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by yurikaze

I don't think it was the intention, but an original AE86 dips in the same spot, right before TVIS activates on the 4AGE. So it really is a modern hachiroku. haha.

So we need Marty Mcfly to go back in time and convince Toyota to remove the torque dip on the 4AGE and by legacy our cars won't have it either

Leonardo · 10-09-2019, 02:16 PM

Thoughts on changes...

I bought mine in 2012. Later they built a series blue with blue interior. IDK who's favorite color is red, but it is not me. BLUE all the way. Anyway, this change was significant to me. (I also want dual climate, but not enough to attempt the climate control swap or to sell my car)

Leonardo · 10-09-2019, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

So we need Marty Mcfly to go back in time and convince Toyota to remove the torque dip on the 4AGE and by legacy our cars won't have it either

Tcoat · 10-09-2019, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Leonardo

Thread crossover!!

Leonardo · 10-09-2019, 02:59 PM

In case you wanted a couple more pics... Here is a link... There is also a cute video. ENJOY!

http://bodypainter.com/bttf

Dirty Harry · 10-10-2019, 06:08 PM

I think the power is pretty damn good for an NA motor. A Golf GTI has 169kw vs the twins 152kw. Granted there's a massive torque difference, but still, I'm impressed at the hp/kw per litre at this price point. There's definitely enough power for amateur drivers to get themselves into trouble.

As for the torque dip. I came from a very low kw hatchback, 55kw, so I'm used to downshifting to pass cars. There's no lazy power or fat torque here. You have to "earn" the power and I prefer that. I think a lot of people who complain about it come from higher hp muscle cars or turbo hot hatches.

why? · 10-10-2019, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

I think the power is pretty damn good for an NA motor. A Golf GTI has 169kw vs the twins 152kw. Granted there's a massive torque difference, but still, I'm impressed at the hp/kw per litre at this price point. There's definitely enough power for amateur drivers to get themselves into trouble.

As for the torque dip. I came from a very low kw hatchback, 55kw, so I'm used to downshifting to pass cars. There's no lazy power or fat torque here. You have to "earn" the power and I prefer that. I think a lot of people who complain about it come from higher hp muscle cars or turbo hot hatches.

You are being nice. I'd just call them clueless whiners. My last car was a Yaris. 105 hp for only 2200 pounds was rather entertaining. Of course before that was a Saab Viggen. 245 pound feet of torque all driven through the front wheels was highly entertaining.

86MLR · 10-10-2019, 09:46 PM

If this was the 86 people would complain about the torque dropping away from 5k rpm.

You can only keep some of the people happy some of the time.

Dirty Harry · 10-10-2019, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by why?

You are being nice. I'd just call them clueless whiners. My last car was a Yaris. 105 hp for only 2200 pounds was rather entertaining. Of course before that was a Saab Viggen. 245 pound feet of torque all driven through the front wheels was highly entertaining.

Lol, maybe. Yeah mine was a '95 Nissan Micra. Very light, 810kg tare weight I think. But low horsepower.

Lantanafrs2 · 10-10-2019, 10:21 PM

The "torque dip" is easy to get rid of. Patient shopping on classifieds did it for me. Otherwise just drive around it. If you put 600lbs of meathead in the car like one of the YouTube videos the dip will be an issue lol

Sapphireho · 10-10-2019, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

Thread crossover!!

I don't remember Marty's vest having such large buttons.

10-09-2019, 12:55 PM	#30
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