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No. To me, mass (in terms of not only total amount but also COG and yaw moment) is the most important aspect. That doesn't mean every lighter car is more fun than every heavier car. Or more succinctly: saying weight is most important != saying weight is everything Read this bmwblog article (originally posted in the E30 thread). Though it's obviously too soon to declare the FT86 the E30 M3's true successor and I disagree with a couple things in the article, for the most part it's spot on. |
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02-05-2012, 10:33 PM | #1122 | |
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I know WRX/STI comes with AVCS. Can you show me the spec of FR-S/BR-Z that indicates it comes with AVCS? Somehow I got the impression that there is no variable valve timing in this engine.
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JDM BRZ website said DAVCS.
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http://www.subaru.jp/brz/brz/spec/ecology.html http://translate.google.com/translat...y.html&act=url Under Engine you will find Type DOHC 16-valve horizontally opposed 4-cylinder Dual AVCS 2.0 ℓ http://translate.google.com/translat...ec%2Fspec.html 1/2 way down the page is the engine, note the fuel type has a asterisk. * 2: When unleaded premium gasoline is not available, you can also use regular unleaded gasoline, but engine performance will decrease. Winner Winner, Chicken Dinner! Last edited by Exage; 02-06-2012 at 02:10 AM. Reason: Found Gasoline Type |
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Just putting regular in and letting it knock and then adjust timing is not a very good idea...as I said, adjust the valve timing ahead of time to limit your torque electronically, and you'll be okay.
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Edit: My engine is D4 not D4S. It has DI but not Port Injection. D4-S in IS350 has both DI and PI.
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You brought up how most people think and what most people will buy. The truth is that most people buy a FWD car or an AWD/4WD SUV/truck. You wrote that the FT86 "probably has better road feel, likely more balanced and might feel better through the corners" and the GC "wins at everything else". When I look at the 2013 GC, I think to myself: it'll have better acceleration, top speed, grip, warranty, room, and a more upscale interior, but the FT-86 will likely better at everything else. So we simply have different priorities in a car. |
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Yes most people buy a FWD car, SUV or truck because they are far more practical cars or achieve their needs as a point A to point B car at a much lower cost than a RWD coupe. Most people don't buy the cars we are interested in because they arn't even in the market for a 2 door sports cars. But within the RWD coupe market, I'm quite confident that the average buyer will be fairly superficial when buying a car. They will place heavy weight on looks (and I think the GC 2013 will typically lose there), the HP/TQ and straight line acceleration will probably be important too along with interior. The people who really value proper driving dynamics, perfect balance, etc are really a very small minority. Also, no doubt lighter cars are "generally" nicer to drive, no one is disagreeing with that, but to endless obsess about weight just doesn't make sense. You need to look at more than just weight. Why don't we just all drive around in stripped out NA Miatas? Its lighter than the FRS/BRZ. You can't judge a car by just its weight and I feel many members here are just endless going on and on about the weight of the FRS/BRZ. Quote:
Indeed we have different priorities, to each his own. My point though is that my view will apply to far more buyers of coupes, its just how the average consumer sees things. I'm not bashing your view or anything, there is nothing wrong if you really have to have the lighter and more balanced car (at the cost of interior, space, power, etc), its just less common. Its not hard to see that when you look at how many 3000lbs+ large genesis like coupes are out there and how many FRS/BRZ type coupes are on the market and roads. |
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It's a question of emphasis, priority, and compromise. And again, I'm interested in the FT86 rather than the even smaller/lighter MX5 because I need 3 seats. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=223 Quote:
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I still cant believe Hyundai screwed up the front end. But good thing the 2010-2012 models exist in case I dont get the FRS.
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I agree.
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