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Old 09-25-2013, 02:43 PM   #225
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*sigh*.

And that is fine. If you feel safer with TC off then do it. As long as you aren't putting anyone else around you in danger.

And I agree, TC really is for the majority of the population that aren't particularly great at driving. But I don't agree that it is for the incompetant.

We are not gods of driving. Mistakes happen. We are fallable, no matter how great you are at driving... I would like to think I'm a decent driver. No accident history, racing experience, decent sense of surrounding area. But for that 1/10000 chance of an unexpected scenerio, I'll be happier knowing that my car will grab traction again quicker than I can react for me.

Similarly: I don't get into accidents, but hell if I do, I'll be glad that airbag I don't use is there too.

I have nothing against safety features, only traction control because it changes how the car acts in certain situations. I like having airbags and seat belts, hell, if I could I'd put a 6 point harness, because Race Car.
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Old 09-25-2013, 03:29 PM   #226
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Highway cruising? Best to leave it on especially where I live. Deer are a bigger "unexpected" hazard than people
So much tension over driving habits lol...
You mean to tell me you can't just swerve/drift around a deer like how ryosuke did to the Takeshi's GT-R?
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Old 09-25-2013, 03:49 PM   #227
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You mean to tell me you can't just swerve/drift around a deer like how ryosuke did to the Takeshi's GT-R?
Nice reference. +1 to you sir haha
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Old 09-25-2013, 06:40 PM   #228
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Old 09-25-2013, 08:08 PM   #229
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TC on TC off, in the end it's an option. To some TC on is worse, to some it's better, to me it's worse as it makes me feel the car is far less predictable and dangerous if I suddenly feel a loss of power while trying to merge into the highway.
1. Car is NOT less predictable with TC on. How long have you been driving your car? If you are a competent driver that pays attention you should know the EXACT conditions where TC will kick in.

2. Sudden loss of power in a straight line? The throttle is not an on off switch mate learn to modulate.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:18 AM   #230
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1. Car is NOT less predictable with TC on. How long have you been driving your car? If you are a competent driver that pays attention you should know the EXACT conditions where TC will kick in.

2. Sudden loss of power in a straight line? The throttle is not an on off switch mate learn to modulate.
1. I've had my car for 2 months, and I've mostly driven it with TC off.

2. I have a half second screech with the tires when pulling out, as I'm pulling out towards the right and on a hill, even though it's only a half second, TC kicks in and kills the throttle.
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no one else feel like tc on is dangerous?
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:57 PM   #232
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A skilled driver will ALWAYS be faster with the traction control OFF!
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A skilled driver will ALWAYS be faster with the traction control OFF!
http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/un...port/5278.html

Schumacher isn't, Mansell isn't, Raikkonen isn't, Senna wasn't, Prost isn't, Alonso isn't. Every year traction control has been allowed a car with traction control wins the championship.

Unless you meant commercially available mass produced consumer systems, in which case I agree, those systems aren't designed for speed.
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:24 PM   #234
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Schumacher isn't, Mansell isn't, Raikkonen isn't, Senna wasn't, Prost isn't, Alonso isn't. Every year traction control has been allowed a car with traction control wins the championship.

Unless you meant commercially available mass produced consumer systems, in which case I agree, those systems aren't designed for speed.
That is what I meant. And I agree, the race cars are a different story. Impressive list of drivers!!!
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no one else feel like tc on is dangerous?
If I'm not trying to drive like micheal schumacher all the time no, not at all.
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:59 PM   #236
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Even when I feel fine driving the car with TC on, I still don't know what to expect with TC off ( due to my lack of experience). So I don't know exactly when to start driving with it off. How would you know you are ready without trying it?
When you are doing spirited driving on the street or track, are you seeing the TC/ESC light come on often? When it comes on, do you think it's kicking in due to driver error or not?

If you feel like you are going above the slip angle or wheel slip safety thresholds programmed in the software, and TC is kicking in, but you are confident you're still in full control and it's slowing you down, try again with the sports mode on (VSC), and eventually with TC off.

I would say an autocross is the perfect place to compare how the car handles with aids off... lots of tight turns and precise inputs required, can only go WOT for so long, etc.


Also if you have Forza or Gran Turismo, try playing with TC on/off. It takes some skill not to spin out with TC off with the supercars..

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Old 09-27-2013, 10:27 AM   #237
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I can't believe this thread is still going around in circles like this... There is a big difference between whether having TC/VSC on is faster and whether or not it is safer. In fairness to the OP, he asked if it was faster.

For those just tuning in, here is a summary:

-It is pretty unanimous that, on this car, your times will be faster with TC/VSC off.

-No amount of arguing will ever convince @Luis_GT that leaving TC or VSC on is safer for regular driving.

I think those two statements pretty well sum up all the pages of this thread so far.
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Old 09-27-2013, 11:53 AM   #238
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Unless you meant commercially available mass produced consumer systems, in which case I agree, those systems aren't designed for speed.
I've actually been really impressed with the TC system in my Porsche so far - I was driving in the rain on the way to work this morning, and with the car in sport mode, I can pretty much just peg the throttle on the way out of a corner, and it will keep it close to the limit of grip (and even let the back end kick out a bit if I want it to). I'm not sure if I could drive it any faster manually, to be honest. I haven't tried it without sport mode engaged, so I don't know how much of a difference that makes.
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