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Old 05-18-2019, 01:09 PM   #57
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+1 for SX2.

Cheap, relatively sticky, and communicative. I can't keep up with guys on the standard 200TW fare (skill is a factor there too, of course), but I'm within a second or two.

People around here tell me that the SX2 is good in wet conditions. That hasn't been my experience. I always feel like I'm driving on ice and can't trust the car at all. Curious to know what others think?
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Ok, I'm ordering some SX2. What's the best size for a completely stock FRS (with good brake pads)?
225/45 on 17x8 wheel?
Or something wider? On a 17x9?
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My 2 cents: I've been running SX2s track and street in California for over a year now.
225/45?
If so, on what wheel (make/model/size/offset)?

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+1 for SX2.
Same questions :-)

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On what wheel (make/model/size/offset)?
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225/45?
If so, on what wheel (make/model/size/offset)?



Same questions :-)



On what wheel (make/model/size/offset)?
225/45R17 on the stock performance package 17x7.5 wheel. +48 offset.
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+1 for SX2.

Cheap, relatively sticky, and communicative. I can't keep up with guys on the standard 200TW fare (skill is a factor there too, of course), but I'm within a second or two.

People around here tell me that the SX2 is good in wet conditions. That hasn't been my experience. I always feel like I'm driving on ice and can't trust the car at all. Curious to know what others think?
They're definitely not great in wet, but I wouldn't call it driving on ice. The only other tire I've run on the car are the stock Primacy's. The SX2 is a little more slippery but not a lot. I'd definitely prefer to use something better in the rain but I don't drive in the rain a lot so it's fine for me.
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They're definitely not great in wet, but I wouldn't call it driving on ice. The only other tire I've run on the car are the stock Primacy's. The SX2 is a little more slippery but not a lot. I'd definitely prefer to use something better in the rain but I don't drive in the rain a lot so it's fine for me.
Right. My 215 Primacys were more predictable than my 245 SX2s. Curious to see what other high performance tires are like in the wet.

Someday I'd love to try a Hoosier H20.
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Right. My 215 Primacys were more predictable than my 245 SX2s. Curious to see what other high performance tires are like in the wet.

Someday I'd love to try a Hoosier H20.
It depends on how wet, and if you can get heat into the compound, and if you're fighting heat vs hydroplaning.

For the most part, most "EHP" type tires all feel like the SX2 in the wet; if you're trying to corner, it's gonna be a battle.

MPSS/MPS4S do significantly better when the surface is fully saturated and you are not getting heat in the tires at all.
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Closing the loop, after massive hours of obsessive reading, I decided on the following:

225/45Z GT Radial Champiro SX2. Save the RS-4 as an incremental upgrade for next time.
6UL 17x8 +40mm
SPC Performance 81305 Camber Bolt in lower hole, stock lower bolt in upper hole.
-2 camber all around, 0 toe.

Today was my 1st day on track at Portland. One dry session, and different levels of wet the rest of the day.

On the dry, the car was fantastic. Night and day compared to the stock Primacy. Yes I know I am stating the obvious, but it was really awesome. In one session, I just wasn't able to find the limit of the tires, whereas with the Primacy, after 4 track days, I felt the tires were holding me back.

On the wet, I made the mistake of not letting enough air out. At 37psi, the rear has zero grip. I spun twice including going almost straight. Down to 32psi and it wasn't too bad. I still spun one more time, but that was while trying to find the limit.

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