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it's hard to get torque from this tiny 2.0, but it is possible. awaiting pictures from innovative and more info!!
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Supercharger kits are super linear versus a properly setup turbo can make power almost immediately and hold it there to redline. So if you want to make power as early as possible, many times a proper turbo setup is the way to go. Look at S2000 supercharger dyno plots for examples, I feel this is a good comparison to the FA20 motor in terms of power delivery and torque production. I am not saying this is definitely what is going to happen with this engine, but to use blanket statements is wrong. |
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He is talking about a twin screw supercharger in which case no turbo can compare to the on demand boost and response it affords. There is no need to spool a turbo even a super small turbo has some lag. A twin screw is instant boost with the depression of the throttle. The superchargers you are talking about are the centrifugal sc's which create boost linearly as the rpms rise the boost creeps up to max by the end of the rpm band. |
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We all need to remember that throttle response and low end torque are different things. In general turbos are better at low end torque (even compared to positive displacement SC designs), and superchargers are better at throttle response.
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This is my opinion anyways not trying to take shots at anybody. Hopefully innovate's manifold has enough room for a eaton R1050 or R1320 TVS blower (or rumored next generation R1100 emailed to confirm that.) 350whp on pump gas = perfect combo once my weight reduction is done. |
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my car is 2742 with a full tank of gas and everything in. 6lb Lithium battery (-20lbs), remove trunk junk (~35lbs), Ap Racing Front brakes (20lbs) and Rears if weight savings are there, 18x8 weds TC105N + 245/35/18 Continental DW (~5-6lbs per corner), Header (4-5lbs), 2.5" Custom Titianum Front-pipe (HFC), overpipe and mid-pipe no resonator (~10-12lbs?), single carbon-fiber Axle back (i will be making this myself) probably about 25lbs. (this car is going to be loud) so in total i should be able to shave approx. 140 +/- 10lbs. without having to start taking out interior pieces.
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of course, but we already have seen huge power from the turbo kits, even at this super early stage. if you're the type of person who is ok with a modest gain, with great response then SC is probably the best option. however, a lot of people have dyno sheet envy and will not stop until they have enough internet props that their e-**** is a mile long. for those guys, only a turbo will suffice.
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thats a good point, its definitely i would say the easiest option for those who like the top end no doubt and its also very easy on components to each his own though right? :happy0180: |
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the question is whether or not a proper SC kit can match or come close to such a set up. if yes, then the SC will always have better response on its side. SEMA is going to be a battleground for FRS/BRZ owners
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I don't think this kit will be anywhere near what some of you are thinking power wise, figure a 50% gain in whp so roughly 240-250 at the wheels most likely. Hopefully near that in torque numbers and i will be happy.
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