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Chassis Under the skin, the 2013 Civic has had significant alterations aimed at enhancing handling refinement and noise isolation. A reworked Electronic Power Steering (EPS) setup reduces friction and provides a quicker ratio, while stiffer wheels, stiffer front springs and a thicker front stabilizer bar with new Teflon-lined mounting bushings are designed for more fluid suspension action and a flatter, more responsive cornering attitude. The rear suspension also receives a thicker stabilizer bar, increased spring rate, new Teflon-lined stabilizer-bar bushings, and reworked suspension bushings to increase both bump- and roll-motion stiffness. With its retuned MacPherson strut front and multi-link rear suspension, handling linearity, responsiveness and overall vehicle composure have been increased, while at the same time improving ride quality and the characteristic Honda fun-to-drive feel. For 2013, front brake-rotor diameter on automatic-equipped Civic LX, EX and EX-L Sedans and Coupes jumps 20 mm from 262 to 282 mm for improved stopping performance. A large range of new noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) countermeasures work together to reduce road, engine and wind noise in the 2013 Civic’s interior. This includes a stiffer front subframe, new thicker windshield and front door glass, and additional soundproofing material in the dash, floor, doors, and rear tray to help reduce unwanted road noise, and provide a more serene ride and quieter cabin. The only review out right now for the refreshed civic... |
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12-01-2012, 08:47 PM | #86 |
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civic drives the wrong set of wheels...
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12-02-2012, 01:47 AM | #87 |
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"title as the best FF drivers' car"
This is why there is no argument to be had regarding a comparison with the BRZ/FR-S platform (FR). |
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4-door and still ugly...
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If I wasn't dead set on getting one of the twins, I'd probably end up with a Civic Si. Mainly because I can get an 09 with 50k for about ten grand less than the FRS. That really still makes me think about it.. I test drove one and it's an enjoyable car to drive. Of course, I love high-revving fours. FWD is a little meh but for most of the population the wheels that drive the car don't matter.
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Though the '13 Si did improve, I sit at my desktop and can't label it a sports car. It lacks any kind of aggression, its almost like a clone... a car with no soul.
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I had the opportunity to drive a 12 Civic Si and a FRS on the infield track at Pocono raceway back in July when Scion did our regional launch event. I also rode as a passenger on a few rides in these vehicles as well.
Here's the video I took from the passenger seat while the same guy was driving both cars. My opinion, the Civic Si is not better than a FRS. It IS better than a tC though. Both the Si and the tC felt like tanks compared to the FRS on the course they had set up. I wish I would've took similar videos in each car they had there which was a few FRS's, Si, tC, tC with TRD springs & 19" wheels, and a GC R-spec. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP3t42-ahnw"]2013 Scion FRS vs 2012 Honda Civic Si infield Course at Pocono - YouTube[/ame] Ruskymx |
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where did your soul go, honda? the strong following quickly developed by the 86 has everything to do with soul. the 86 cars have a ton of soul; they are a tribute to enthusiasts like us.
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i raced my boy with a 2009 si sedan. short ram intake and 3 in skunk 2 cat back. we ran absolutely tied shift for shift never gaining an inch. i have a velocity stack to stock intake and a front pipe.
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From 8thcivic.com when comparing the twins to an Si:
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As long as Toyota/Subi only offers the all season Prius tires on the FR-S/BRZ/GT-86 this community is going to continue to get, in my opinion, ridiculous comparisons.
Toyota could have simply offered the Dunlap Star Spec as an option and I guarantee you that the FR-S or BRZ would never have been even compared with the track package Civic Si or Mustang V6s. What people fail to take into consideration when comparing the FR-S to a track package Civic Si is the inherent limitations placed on the performance potential of a car when you start with an economy car as your base. You can't realistically or make it even economically practical to change the drive train layout, weight distribution, center of gravity, wheel base, or width of the car you are working with. The FR-S was designed to be a sports car and given the fundamentals needed to achieve that goal while the Civic was originally designed to be an economy car. You want to make a Civic Si a great track car you can spend thousands of dollars to achieve that goal. Or you can make the FR-S a great track car by simply changing your tires.
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I love my Honda. They use to make a lot halo sporty car for the young. Such eg9, itr, dc5......etc. I still have my FA5 since 08 and run like new. The k20 is one of the best motor they ever build which I really love it.
For handling wise, I wouldn't say which is the better because it's really depend on the driver and driving habit. It's more personal preference. Lot of people had said RWD IS BETTER THAN FWD which is I don't agree with. The civic can be tune to very neutral handling with right suspension setup. Please remember that civic is never meant to be pure sport car but sport sedan. Its already gave you the best package on strong motor, sporty chassis and daily capability. |
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There's a new article in Modified magazine comparing the 2012 Civic Si to the 2013 FR-S. Stock-for-stock, the Civic was a second or two faster than the FR-S on track but when they both added identical TSW wheels with Hankook R-S3 rubber and KW suspension, the FR-S had a better lap time by about 2 seconds. I gotta say I'm a little surprised, maybe a little disappointed that the FR-S wasn't ahead by more. Testament to Honda's FWD skillz
Edit: the FR-S was faster in stock trim, too. 126.875 vs. 129.039 stock and 122.607 vs. 124.397 The 2013 Scion FR-S: at least it's faster than a Civic.
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