More confirmation from Toyota on next gen 86

[HKz]

[86MLR]

Or, only auto........spastic

[JesseG]

The WRX with a CVT would crush my soul. Hopefully a manual will still be an option. I mean that’s the majority of what Subie sells with the WRX right?!

An STI with a turbo FA20 would be great of course. If this is true, it sounds like the WRX is being moved down a class.

The idea of the BRZ/86 with the same turbo FA20 would be amazing, and I have a feeling they just might do it. Even as proud as Toyota is of their cars, and they should be, they know it can use a little more power.


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[JesseG]

Originally Posted by Adam_L

Honda can.. can build a V8 , but often times what I've heard (depending upon the model of car / SUV) , their V8 engines don't mate well with their transmissions, then you tend to have the tranny taking a dump early ( under 150k miles).

Their engine V8 team, isn't doing proper teamwork with the Tranny team of engineers , at least that's how it was in the late '90's early 2000's. They should just stick with I4 , or V6 … they're more efficient that way.

Honda needs to make a new Integra Type R and S2000, I would go out and buy a new ITR immediately. I agree, V8 and Honda just don’t fit.


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[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by scuzzy

Time to raise the dead . . . Per Autoblog the next gen WRX gets a 1.8L turbo engine producing 270bhp and a CVT while the STi gets and FA20 tuned to put out 315 bhp both on Subie's new global platform.

So, do we still think a next generation BRZ is coming? Do we still think it will have a new FA24 NA?

Grab a 2020 BRZ Ts while you can or wait and see what's behind door #2 . . . ?

Discuss

The platform looks that it has not be abandoned. There was a great representation on the latest Fuji 86 Style exhibition. They said that although the FA20 engine has already a 10 years history, it is still on the edge of technology and has still a long way to go. As far it concerns the request of a stronger engine, it looks that the message is now clear even from the Japanese customers . I would not be surprised if they offer in future two options of engines. One with the FA20 and one with the FA24.

[why?]

I really want that Levorg. A 1.5 turbo would be awesome. Nice complement to a BRZ.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by JesseG

The WRX with a CVT would crush my soul. Hopefully a manual will still be an option. I mean that’s the majority of what Subie sells with the WRX right?!

An STI with a turbo FA20 would be great of course. If this is true, it sounds like the WRX is being moved down a class.

The idea of the BRZ/86 with the same turbo FA20 would be amazing, and I have a feeling they just might do it. Even as proud as Toyota is of their cars, and they should be, they know it can use a little more power.


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Toyota “knows” no such thing. They designed a lower HP sports car and will keep it that way. No matter what engine they use it will not be FI and will only see a mild power bump. Toyota is not going to push the 86 into Supra power range any more than Subaru wants WRX levels.
As said it is more likely to be a hybrid of some time than FI. The fully internal combustion engine car’s days are numbered.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The fully internal combustion engine car’s days are numbered.

Do you believe that a fully internal combustion engine cannot survive for one more generation? The FA20 managed to get here Euro-6d without changing any of the internals or exhaust.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Do you believe that a fully internal combustion engine cannot survive for one more generation? The FA20 managed to get here Euro-6d without changing any of the internals or exhaust.

May get one more out of it yes. The world standard emissions standards that kick in for 2025 will be the real killer.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

May get one more out of it yes. The world standard emissions standards that kick in for 2025 will be the real killer.

We'll have to see. The political climate surrounding the raw materials mining lithium battery production(currently the only real alternative) is changing. There's also some doubts already that enough batteries can be made to meet anything above current production levels

[sunami88]

This is so OT I should probably post it on it's own (or not at all), but has anyone found a decent study on how these electric car batteries are being recycled/trashed? I can't find a single study one way or the other that doesn't have massive, glaring flaws- often in the opening paragraph

[rant]
I feel like if we're all switching to this new tech, this answer should be super easy to find. Many of them want to compare how much power from an ICE is lost via the transmission etc- but my point is that's everyone's baseline. It's irrelevant to compare against mechanical breakdown, oil consumption, etc on an ICE when all I really, really want to know is what happens to an electric car battery after it's been totally used up. e.g. Where exactly does wasted electrolyte end up? How much of it? What about the bits of the battery that aren't valuable and can't be recycled, per se? Again, how much of a battery's makeup is just toasted after it's service life is over? No ifs ands or buts.
[/rant]

tl;dr
If you think you've got a link to a non-biased study, please post it here or PM me. I'm genuinely curious (dad drives a Volt, we argue-*AHEM* talk about this often).

[why?]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Do you believe that a fully internal combustion engine cannot survive for one more generation? The FA20 managed to get here Euro-6d without changing any of the internals or exhaust.

The original did, but the 2017 + revisions didn't.

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Toyota “knows” no such thing. They designed a lower HP sports car and will keep it that way. No matter what engine they use it will not be FI and will only see a mild power bump. Toyota is not going to push the 86 into Supra power range any more than Subaru wants WRX levels.

As said it is more likely to be a hybrid of some time than FI. The fully internal combustion engine car’s days are numbered.

Well, of course Toyota is smart enough to realize the 86 would benefit from more power. And still retain all of its wonderful driving dynamics. I agree they don’t want to encroach on Supra territory. The Supra is the halo sports car now. BUT, a bump of 40 or so horsepower with the 86, IMO, still leaves a big performance gap between the two cars. This is just my opinion, but I think many current owners of a twin would trade up for the same car with more HP and a full warranty. Damaging my car is the main reason I would never turbo it. Subaru CAN absolutely set up the FA20 to accomplish this.
TBH I’m shocked Subaru hasn’t given the middle finger to Toyota and released their own more powerful BRZ. It has to be a Japanese business agreement keeping them from doing it. They wanted to turbo the car from day one.

It may all be a pipe dream, and I love the 86 now as much as any car I’ve ever owned. I understand it’s purpose, I understand it’s specialty in the world of cars.


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[funwheeldrive]

Everyone is crying for more power and I just want a 2,500 pound 86