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07-07-2017, 05:52 PM | #15 | |
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It's unfortunate, but this level of information just isn't something that can be given away for free; the R&D cost in building multiple sets of heads and engines approach 6 figures, and is used internally for the folks that support CSG. http://counterspacegarage.com/csg-fa20-4ugse-gt86.html |
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http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111954 Celeks post about the dyno comparison of the 2017 intake manifold could be promising. I wonder if some throttle body spacers to increase plenum volume might make a small difference at high rpm. If I can get 200+whp (210whp would be nice) and keep the torque from dropping off sharply after the peak and raise the rev limit to 8000 rpm I would be happy. 2017 intake manifold, stage 2 cams and some decent headers to match should hopefully get me where I need to be to be competitive compared to the MX5's already running. |
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A simple response along the lines of people finding the stock manifold to be a limitation and the stage 3 cams might be too aggressive for your setup would have been more than enough information. I am in Australia, far far away from you. So getting engine work done by CSG is quite impractical. My goals also were for a simple build to get some mild improvements. Therefore investing any further in a full build was not the aim at this stage of the project. Had you have provided me with some information or guidance then I would have been more than happy to purchase the cams from CSG, fit them to the car and provided the feedback with the set up I had mentioned. This information can then be past on to the rest of the community. Something which could have led to a greater uptake on the Piper cams through CSG both locally and state side. Instead I see no benefit purchasing a product from CSG when they are not willing to provide me any information or guidance on selection of the correct product. I am not trying to be narky but I just don't see the logic in the route you have chosen. Each to their own I guess. |
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Several of those have replied in this thread already. Engines being shipped around the world is a norm. Since you want free information, here's a key tidbit for you: If you're not running a standalone, don't bother with cams at all. |
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I've purchased from CSG, and their customer service is second to none. They also go the extra mile in working out problems and developing a good setup. Just FYI!
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If the overall torque was down but the shape of the curve was flatter towards the end of the rpm range (8.2k redline) I would be inclined to agree. But that was not the case. The drop off at the end was the same as tuned stock cams.
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I understand the value of information and want to support those that support me and the community. If I need to purchase more components to make this worthwhile then I will consider the cost vs. reward in my budget and come to a decision. |
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From everything I have read/been told with trying to push more power NA it is the intake holding back the engine at high RPM. Will be interesting to see some results from CAMS/Bolt Ons for the 2017 intake as it appears to shift the peak power to the right slightly. Other than that there doesn't appear to be an affordable intake option on the market. The engine is pretty well sorted with just bolt ons + E85. Useable torque curve with 200 peak WHP is nothing to complain about... 250+BHP would be nice though. |
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