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King Tut · 10-29-2013, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Lol don't take him too seriously.

How is that meth treating you?

sw20kosh · 10-29-2013, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by King Tut

How is that meth treating you?

We broke up a while back.

mitosis · 10-29-2013, 06:27 PM

I would like to see you test the KW setup... my reasoning being that I know you are already gonna be running JR on some of your cars so getting a KW kit for the new car will provide a nice comparison between the two Rotrex kits.

Dezoris · 10-29-2013, 06:31 PM

I have hours of data logged from track on Vortech. Almost 2 hours straight in a single day running the tank dry both times. FT86Speed has plenty of track time on their Vortech but never posted logs. Gem has tons of track time on the Vortech. I think by far its the most track tested on this site.

There is too much press on the Innovate kit and its a glorified re badged import kit with piss poor transparency at launch from Innovate. It's not a track ready kit out of the box non-intercooled. And even inter cooled there are plenty of questions left unanswered.

The Kraftwerks kit is by far the most interesting due to the secondary drive belt design, quality piping solution and external oil supply for rotrex. The intercooler mounting seems excellent as well. Great intake system as well but questionable bracket near oil filter limiting oil cooler options. It's track ready out of the box. This is the one I would test, if given a sample.

The Jackson Kit would be a high second as it is very Vortech like and track ready. The blow through MAF will make tuning even better.

xjohnx · 10-29-2013, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezoris

There is too much press on the Innovate kit and its a glorified re badged import kit with piss poor transparency at launch from Innovate. It's not a track ready kit out of the box non-intercooled. And even inter cooled there are plenty of questions left unanswered.

Sounds like you're making an argument FOR CSG to go with the Innovate in this situation. They're looking to see which kit we want to see them test. Being that the innovate has so many "unanswered questions", one would think that there would be plenty of content and just as much interest in seeing the results.....no?

King Tut · 10-29-2013, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sw20kosh

We broke up a while back.

She was the wrong girl for you. Your next girl will be much cooler.

RYU · 10-29-2013, 06:45 PM

A few questions...

1. What do you guys want to run? For some reason this is interesting for me to know and would say a lot.
2. I would be curious which vendor would be confident enough to loan you guys a kit for free. A vendor who believes in their product should have no problem with this.

There are a lot of votes for the Innovate kit. I struggled a lot with my PD blower on my other car but after a long journey I was able to make it track worthy. If you guys go this route, kindly entertain my proposal.
a. Run the stock Stage 1 kit (with no cooling)
b. Use a water injection system and see how well that works
c. Get the Stage 2 intercooled kit and compare that to the water injection system

That would be my preference

Good luck guys! Stay coooooool out there!

CSG Mike · 10-29-2013, 06:50 PM

No matter what kit(s) we test, I'd prefer NOT to lose more engines.

I think we hold the record for the most engine replacements too... (not sure this is something we should be proud of).

CSG Mike · 10-29-2013, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RYU

2. I would be curious which vendor would be confident enough to loan you guys a kit for free. A vendor who believes in their product should have no problem with this.

I'm sure any manufacturer would do that in exchange for a glowing review, but our intent is to point out all of the good AND the bad, as well as expose flaws and weaknesses... (which I hope there aren't... I don't want to be held responsible for more dead engines...)

xjohnx · 10-29-2013, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I'm sure any manufacturer would do that in exchange for a glowing review, but our intent is to point out all of the good AND the bad, as well as expose flaws and weaknesses... (which I hope there aren't... I don't want to be held responsible for more dead engines...)

When do the polls close and how soon thereafter will you have the Innovate
kit in your hands? Over/under 2 hours?

CSG Mike · 10-29-2013, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by xjohnx

When do the polls close and how soon thereafter will you have the Innovate
kit in your hands? Over/under 2 hours?

Iirc the bosses said that they'd wait for the CARB paperwork to finish if they go Innovate.

Lawnik · 10-29-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

No matter what kit(s) we test, I'd prefer NOT to lose more engines.

I think we hold the record for the most engine replacements too... (not sure this is something we should be proud of).

Care to share how many engines and the cause of failure?

RYU · 10-29-2013, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I'm sure any manufacturer would do that in exchange for a glowing review, but our intent is to point out all of the good AND the bad, as well as expose flaws and weaknesses... (which I hope there aren't... I don't want to be held responsible for more dead engines...)

That's the thing. I think you guys would do a factual review. Which is probably why Consumer Reports buys their own vehicles.

Acree · 10-29-2013, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

No matter what kit(s) we test, I'd prefer NOT to lose more engines.

I think we hold the record for the most engine replacements too... (not sure this is something we should be proud of).

Is there a thread about this? I'd like more information.

View Poll Results: Which off-the-shelf FI kit would you like to see CSG test?
Vortech Complete system	26	13.07%
Innovate Stage 2 Complete	98	49.25%
Jackson Racing Factory Tuned	36	18.09%
Kraftwerks Fully Tuned	39	19.60%
Voters: 199. You may not vote on this poll

10-29-2013, 06:31 PM	#32
Dezoris Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: FR-S Location: IL Posts: 2,857 Thanks: 519 Thanked 2,997 Times in 1,095 Posts Mentioned: 159 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I have hours of data logged from track on Vortech. Almost 2 hours straight in a single day running the tank dry both times. FT86Speed has plenty of track time on their Vortech but never posted logs. Gem has tons of track time on the Vortech. I think by far its the most track tested on this site. There is too much press on the Innovate kit and its a glorified re badged import kit with piss poor transparency at launch from Innovate. It's not a track ready kit out of the box non-intercooled. And even inter cooled there are plenty of questions left unanswered. The Kraftwerks kit is by far the most interesting due to the secondary drive belt design, quality piping solution and external oil supply for rotrex. The intercooler mounting seems excellent as well. Great intake system as well but questionable bracket near oil filter limiting oil cooler options. It's track ready out of the box. This is the one I would test, if given a sample. The Jackson Kit would be a high second as it is very Vortech like and track ready. The blow through MAF will make tuning even better. __________________ SAVAGEGEESE

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10-29-2013, 06:27 PM	#31
mitosis Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Drives: 2013 FR-S, 2008 Fit Location: Near Sacramento, CA Posts: 77 Thanks: 219 Thanked 65 Times in 30 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would like to see you test the KW setup... my reasoning being that I know you are already gonna be running JR on some of your cars so getting a KW kit for the new car will provide a nice comparison between the two Rotrex kits.

10-29-2013, 06:45 PM	#35
RYU Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: really slow... Location: Los Angeles (SGV) Posts: 737 Thanks: 340 Thanked 253 Times in 145 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	A few questions... 1. What do you guys want to run? For some reason this is interesting for me to know and would say a lot. 2. I would be curious which vendor would be confident enough to loan you guys a kit for free. A vendor who believes in their product should have no problem with this. There are a lot of votes for the Innovate kit. I struggled a lot with my PD blower on my other car but after a long journey I was able to make it track worthy. If you guys go this route, kindly entertain my proposal. a. Run the stock Stage 1 kit (with no cooling) b. Use a water injection system and see how well that works c. Get the Stage 2 intercooled kit and compare that to the water injection system That would be my preference Good luck guys! Stay coooooool out there!

10-29-2013, 06:50 PM	#36
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