More confirmation from Toyota on next gen 86

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Myriad

Wow, I had no idea Thanos drove an 86. Sorry to blow your cover, but welcome to the forum!



Myriad

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[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

The electrical infrastructure in the 70s wouldn't be able to sustain our current demand either. Hehe. Current demand.

Anyway, coal and gas fired powerplants have their days numbered. They'll be around for a while, but renewables, especially wind and solar are very close to becoming cheaper per KWh than fossil fuel plants, depending on location they already are. Here in Florida solar farms are popping up all over the place in the last 3 years, and they're shutting down 2 gas powerplants for the biggest solar charged battery bank... in the world.

Point is that our electrical grids will adapt to the newer demand and alternative power sources keep dropping in cost every year. Fossil fuels are done for. In 50 years we'll have some niche market for fossil fuels but I'm hoping that'll be limited to recreational use and still regulated enough to be carbon neutral, maybe algae grown ethanol or something similar.

Extremely wishful thinking, and not practical at all unfortunately. Nuclear is way way better going forward than wind or solar (solar is great for rooftops, that's about it. And let's not even get into how horrible solar panel production is for the environment). Also what has happened in Australia is horrible, and is a warning to most other countries, of how NOT to "progress" their national electrical grid. Almost all of their problems (and 100% of their expenses) are self inflicted thanks to idiotic government policy.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by gravitylover

Range anxiety is not entirely unfounded. I am a salesman and need to do well over 300 miles a day frequently. For instance the western end of my territory is nearly 400 miles away and there are only a handful of charging stations along the way and none of them would be capable of charging any of the current generation of e-cars in a reasonable amount of time. This means that what should be a 6-7 hour trip becaomes a 10+ hour trip so the car can charge and it severely limits my productivity during the work day. I realize this is an extreme example but until long range and easily accessible, affordable, quick charging is available it's not valid for me.

Personally, the present range of electric cars would fit in just fine with my lifestyle. Drive 300 miles, plug in - take a 2 hour nap - drive another 300 miles -


humfrz

[Qwimby1]

Originally Posted by Rampage

Well, many(most?) Miataphiles say that Mazda has finally produced a better(best?) Miata in 2019. Does anyone think Toyota will keep after it like tenacious little Mazda did?

IMO a 2014 Scion FR-S is about as good as it gets for a modern Toyota sports car.

The MX-5 ND got excellent reviews for drivability when introduced, but I think many were turned off by the initial 155HP. It's now up to 180 give or take. I don't know what that did for sales. The 04-05 NB Mazdaspeed was riddled with compromises and half steps, but an excellent platform for upgrades, which most owners did extensively. A fellow named Bill Cardell once worked on my Porsches in a two-man shop in West Orange, NJ. He told me he planned to move to Colorado and start a mail-order parts house. That's now Flyin' Miata, a superb resource for top-quality Miata upgrades. Ironically the most sought-after MSMs now are low-mileage, unmodified ones.


I always said I'd be first in line when Mazda offered a Miata coupe here. They once offered one in Japan but I don't know if they still do. l never considered an NC because the retractables are ugly and a bit heavier, and I don't think any aftermarket hardtops are available.


I personally don't like the looks of the NC, and anyway it's still not a real coupe.

[ermax]

Personally if you are looking to make successor to the Twins and it has to be full electric I would rather have one that only runs 75miles and shaves a ton of battery mass. I know some people drive their Twins farther than that but I suspect the masses (if you can even call owners of Twins masses) would only need 50 or so per day.

I dread the direction cars are going. I have a hard enough time dealing with the garbage engine note coming from the boxer, I can't image not having any engine note at all. I'd rather have a ICE and a light weight KERS like system for short bursts.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ermax

Personally if you are looking to make successor to the Twins and it has to be full electric I would rather have one that only runs 75miles and shaves a ton of battery mass. I know some people drive their Twins farther than that but I suspect the masses (if you can even call owners of Twins masses) would only need 50 or so per day.

I dread the direction cars are going. I have a hard enough time dealing with the garbage engine note coming from the boxer, I can't image not having any engine note at all. I'd rather have a ICE and a light weight KERS like system for short bursts.

I think you would find that 50 miles a day would not come even close to meeting the needs of many. Just look at all the 100K+ threads and it is easy to tell many of us drive much further than that. The minimum would have to be 100 miles a day and even that would be cutting it close for loads.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Qwimby1

The MX-5 ND got excellent reviews for drivability when introduced, but I think many were turned off by the initial 155HP. It's now up to 180 give or take. I don't know what that did for sales. The 04-05 NB Mazdaspeed was riddled with compromises and half steps, but an excellent platform for upgrades, which most owners did extensively. A fellow named Bill Cardell once worked on my Porsches in a two-man shop in West Orange, NJ. He told me he planned to move to Colorado and start a mail-order parts house. That's now Flyin' Miata, a superb resource for top-quality Miata upgrades. Ironically the most sought-after MSMs now are low-mileage, unmodified ones.


I always said I'd be first in line when Mazda offered a Miata coupe here. They once offered one in Japan but I don't know if they still do. l never considered an NC because the retractables are ugly and a bit heavier, and I don't think any aftermarket hardtops are available.


I personally don't like the looks of the NC, and anyway it's still not a real coupe.

The increased HP has done nothing to improve sales. They remain about the same as the 04-05 NB. The numbers have pretty much dropped with each successive model. There will be a bit of jump when the new model is released and then it will drop way below the previous years. It is a long slow decline but a decline all the same.


http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...da-mx-5-miata/

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I think you would find that 50 miles a day would not come even close to meeting the needs of many. Just look at all the 100K+ threads and it is easy to tell many of us drive much further than that. The minimum would have to be 100 miles a day and even that would be cutting it close for loads.

Well typically 100k threads attract only people with 100k and not those without so we have an incomplete dataset. Sound familiar? Hahahaha. :P

You could be right but when you look at all the used Twins with ultra low miles it looks like 75 miles per day is over kill. I did about 20 miles a day on work days fro about 22 years up until our office moved. Now I do 42 miles per day. I also live in the largest city in the country land mass wise. You can't go anywhere in my city that isn't a 20min drive.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by ermax

Well typically 100k threads attract only people with 100k and not those without so we have an incomplete dataset. Sound familiar? Hahahaha. :P

You could be right but when you look at all the used Twins with ultra low miles it looks like 75 miles per day is over kill. I did about 20 miles a day on work days fro about 22 years up until our office moved. Now I do 42 miles per day. I also live in the largest city in the country land mass wise. You can't go anywhere in my city that isn't a 20min drive.

And what if you want to go to another city?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ermax

Well typically 100k threads attract only people with 100k and not those without so we have an incomplete dataset. Sound familiar? Hahahaha. :P

You could be right but when you look at all the used Twins with ultra low miles it looks like 75 miles per day is over kill. I did about 20 miles a day on work days fro about 22 years up until our office moved. Now I do 42 miles per day. I also live in the largest city in the country land mass wise. You can't go anywhere in my city that isn't a 20min drive.

This is very true but we do have some firm data as to "average" commutes. Yes, more drive under 50 miles a day but many drive more. A 50 mile total range is just not enough for about 40% of the population.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Spuds

And what if you want to go to another city?

I take another car.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ermax

I take another car.

And what if you don't have another car? Half the people on here now can hardly afford the one they have.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

This is very true but we do have some firm data as to "average" commutes. Yes, more drive under 50 miles a day but many drive more. A 50 mile total range is just not enough for about 40% of the population.

Yes but the Twins are often a second car. Similar to the Miata. Both of these cars tend to sell used with very low miles. I just don't think you can apply your numbers to the Twins which is why I specifically said in my post that if you were making a successor to the Twins it should only have a 75 mile range.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And what if you don't have another car? Half the people on here now can hardly afford the one they have.

And electric cars aren't cheap.