Electric Supercharger - Market Speculation

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by GotBRZ1691

Hey so I clicked the link and noticed I was not on the waiting list. I was at some point, has it been updated? or re-done?

Yes, the most recent update is here:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=8491

If you're not on and should be PM @fenton and @Robftss . I know you've been around for quite some time.

Update: Checked, you are #23 on the list, there are 6 RHD's above you, so that 23 might actually be #17.

[GotBRZ1691]

Apparently I cannot read

[Phantobe]

Since people keep pointing it out, what would it take to make the ESC a full time FI application or is it simply not possibly since its using a finite source of energy?

More efficient batteries, higher output alternator? Is it possible to regenerate more energy than you're using for this application?

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

Since people keep pointing it out, what would it take to make the ESC a full time FI application or is it simply not possibly since its using a finite source of energy?

More efficient batteries, higher output alternator? Is it possible to regenerate more energy than you're using for this application?

Shiv's Procede Controller for Rob's Phantom kit will make it the Phantom ESC full time F.I.. This is being rolled out in the coming weeks. For Miata's even sooner. That's the PID controller being discussed earlier in the thread.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by GotBRZ1691

Apparently I cannot read

Haha you're doing ok. If you don't want to wait at all, you can buy this one RIGHT MEOW!

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86391

[Phantobe]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

Shiv's Proceed Controller for Rob's Phantom kit will make it the Phantom ESC full time F.I.. This is being rolled out in the coming weeks. For Miata's even sooner. That's the PID controller being discussed earlier in the thread.

How does it work? If you don't mind explaining lol.

Won't you eventually run out of juice to power the electric motor, if it's constantly under boost?

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Phantobe

How does it work? If you don't mind explaining lol.

Won't you eventually run out of juice to power the electric motor, if it's constantly under boost?

Apparently nope. The controller and alternator seem to have no problem keeping up. Read in this neighborhood:

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread...567709&page=13

The 86 integration is just a few weeks behind the Miata integration so the most up to date info is in the Miata camp. I'm sure @Shiv@Openflash and @Robftss will update the 86 info as progress is made. They've got 86 ESC owners (like me) chomping at the bit.

[PowderfaceTr.]

I just meant market data would be better for your argument.


Remember all the big auto engineers have this coming out as a compound boost assist tech. You all will be swapping out yours for a used OEM ESC. I'm pretty sure Id have the MERC ESC swapped into my BITURBO FT86 before some one knocks off robs.

LOl MIATA what a waste, you take the most bullet proof Mazda motor. The one that handles over 20psi in its stock form and only boost it with 8psi. Wow such unused potential. WHy not leace it stock so we can all race SM for another decade.

[Shiv@Openflash]

The arguments change. But some things stay the same

[Whatabouteggs]

It's definitely a niche market. The problem with ESC's long term is that they are a power adder for an internal combustion engine that relies on electrical energy storage. This means as battery tech gets better, the industry will be more likely to use that for propulsion directly rather than in an application like this. You hit diminishing returns very quickly both in cost and performance as desired boost and engine size increase. The utilization of this tech for reducing turbo lag or accessory engine load seems like a better long term approach to strapping on what is basically a second starter motor.

Can it be effective in small engine applications? I think it can, but it's also a product dependent on technology that invalidates its existence (better batteries).

[Target70]

Battery tech has gotten slightly better, but it is leaps behind becoming the standard in transportation, plus you forget they are fighting the oil companies who through physics, luck or intervention have seemed to stifle any alternative form of transportation energy for the past 100 years.

[DAEMANO]

I think @Whatabouteggs is talking about Hybrids and pure electrics. Even when battery tech is well enough to power a vehicle directly our refueling infrastructure won't be. For that reason, Internal combustion, fossil fuels, and ESCs are going to be around for another good 25-30 years.

[PowderfaceTr.]

^^The last two messages were the best things so far in his thread. I would like to take some credit here for indirectly provoking this kind of open discussion.

While we are off topic, I MUST say:

There is a trend in hyper light materials engineering. Lighter high temp pistons may be developed before nano chemistry becomes energy dense enough.
If micro pistons are not developed first. These new batteries, assuming they are rare compounds, would go strictly into commercial aviation for solar propulsion.

Before silent vacations to Europe. I would really prefer to see 20,000 rpm 1 Liter Atkins engines. Ones which bolted on is a compressor powered off the waste heat via thermoelectric material coatings.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by PowderfaceTr.

^^The last two messages were the best things so far in his thread. I would like to take some credit here for indirectly provoking this kind of open discussion.

I would love to see how pretty the colors are in your mind.