follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
Speed By Design
Register Garage Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB > 1st Gens: Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 / Subaru BRZ > BRZ First-Gen (2012+) -- General Topics

BRZ First-Gen (2012+) -- General Topics All discussions about the first-gen Subaru BRZ coupe


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-19-2019, 03:57 AM   #1
relentless717
Junior Member
 
relentless717's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Drives: BRZ STI 2019
Location: West Japan
Posts: 6
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
alignment specs....is there a dedicated thread ??

I am a new guy to this forum............and happy to be here !!


I have searched and have seen a few posts about some individual alignment likes.... but I can't find a dedicated thread.....


Any help advising and directing me would be appreciated..........!!




Thanks in advance.......




Bill
relentless717 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2019, 10:59 AM   #2
maslin
Benz Tech
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Drives: 2017 BRZ Premium
Location: Oregon
Posts: 580
Thanks: 363
Thanked 562 Times in 308 Posts
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Welcome!

There are several threads in the suspension forum, not a dedicated thread that I have ever seen.

Many of the guys in there are very experienced in track alignments, I learned alignments on an old optical Hunter machine 15 or so years ago, and have been doing them ever since.
maslin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2019, 05:49 PM   #3
86MLR
Senior Member
 
86MLR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Drives: 2002 VX Commodore SS LS1 Auto
Location: Sydney
Posts: 2,203
Thanks: 500
Thanked 2,185 Times in 1,111 Posts
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Depends on the track, depends on the tyres.

Look at your tyre wear

Infrared temp guns are cheap and will give a relatively good reading across the tyre, outside-middle-inside

Inside is usually tyre pressure

Outside higher inside lower = more camber

Yada yada yada

Test and tune, test and tune

For my street car I've gone down a bit from my last settings of -2.5° front -2.0° rear zero toe to -1.5° front -1.0° rear zero toe, I will gauge this by looking at tyre wear and handling

Tyre pressure is 35psi, tyres are RE003 235/45 17 on 8" RPF-1
__________________
Disclaimer: This post represents the official views of the voices in my head at the time of posting.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133311
I'm only here for the biscuits
86MLR is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to 86MLR For This Useful Post:
maslin (08-19-2019)
Old 08-20-2019, 01:43 AM   #4
relentless717
Junior Member
 
relentless717's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Drives: BRZ STI 2019
Location: West Japan
Posts: 6
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
maslin and 86MLR .....Thank you very much for your feedback !!




I am really surprised that there is not more information about alignment setups.




All the best........!!




I don't track, but love agressive setups for running the twisties.....!!!
relentless717 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2019, 03:16 AM   #5
finch1750
Undisputed El Presidente
 
finch1750's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Drives: Zenki 37J ZN6
Location: Stockton, CA
Posts: 11,570
Thanks: 9,382
Thanked 9,397 Times in 5,261 Posts
Mentioned: 374 Post(s)
Tagged: 33 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by relentless717 View Post
maslin and 86MLR .....Thank you very much for your feedback !!




I am really surprised that there is not more information about alignment setups.




All the best........!!




I don't track, but love agressive setups for running the twisties.....!!!
Alignments are just so specialized it's hard to say. I have included a baseline guide for spirited driving here though (along with lots of info on getting there) http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103609
__________________

"Just like how a strut bar somehow enables you to corner 20MPH faster around a cloverleaf on-ramp, when the reality is, you can do it already but you just don't have to balls to do it." - CSG David
finch1750 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2019, 03:35 AM   #6
86MLR
Senior Member
 
86MLR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Drives: 2002 VX Commodore SS LS1 Auto
Location: Sydney
Posts: 2,203
Thanks: 500
Thanked 2,185 Times in 1,111 Posts
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by relentless717 View Post
maslin and 86MLR .....Thank you very much for your feedback !!




I am really surprised that there is not more information about alignment setups.




All the best........!!




I don't track, but love agressive setups for running the twisties.....!!!
There is some general rule of thumb settings

But, each car has different tyres, shocks, swaybars, tyre pressures, all of these factors will effect how your car uses its tyres

Track setting on a street car can be problematic, you will lose braking distance, and your tyres will never really get warm and sticky when you are driving to work, so the grip will not be optimised, same with tyre softness, a soft warm tyre can use more camber than a all season.

Street setting on a track will kill your tyres.

Back when I was tracking my cars would have multiple setups, street and track, different tyres, ride heights and alignment setting.

My street set up was easy, the track set up depended on what I was doing and where I was doing it

My Skyline ended up with 3 sets of tyres and rims, street, circuit and drag radials

Speaking of which, when I went to the drags I would wind in 0° rear camber to try and get as much tyre on the road as I could

Sounds complicated, you bet, I had my little black book with different setups for different locations, weather conditions, tyres pressures, did I go overboard, hell yes, but I found the whole thing part of the fun.

Nowadays I just hit the streets and do the occasional maaaad skid, I've always been a hoon, now I'm a old slower hoon
__________________
Disclaimer: This post represents the official views of the voices in my head at the time of posting.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133311
I'm only here for the biscuits
86MLR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2019, 07:32 AM   #7
CrowsFeast
Senior Member
 
CrowsFeast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Drives: 2013 BRZ Sport-Tech
Location: Toronto
Posts: 354
Thanks: 184
Thanked 179 Times in 121 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 86MLR View Post
Speaking of which, when I went to the drags I would wind in 0° rear camber to try and get as much tyre on the road as I could
I'm far from a drag guy but I would have thought you'd want to go slightly positive camber for drag. When you get that initial squat off the line you'll get some camber gains in bump that I thought you'd want to account for.

EDIT:
for the OP, the most helpful thread I've found
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103609
It's in the suspension forum and for some reason doesn't appear to be a sticky (unless my coffee just hasn't kicked in yet).
CrowsFeast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2019, 08:09 AM   #8
ZDan
Senior Member
 
ZDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Drives: '23 BRZ
Location: Providence, RI
Posts: 4,577
Thanks: 1,373
Thanked 3,883 Times in 2,027 Posts
Mentioned: 85 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
It ain't hard but there's a lot of misinformation about...

Stock car, there's no camber adjustment, so zero toe all around and done.

Biggest shortcoming of stock car is near-zero front camber. This can be remedied to some degree with camber bolts.

For street car, spirited driving, I say get camber bolts and install for max negative front camber, and zero toe all around.

Done.
ZDan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2019, 08:49 AM   #9
86MLR
Senior Member
 
86MLR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Drives: 2002 VX Commodore SS LS1 Auto
Location: Sydney
Posts: 2,203
Thanks: 500
Thanked 2,185 Times in 1,111 Posts
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrowsFeast View Post
I'm far from a drag guy but I would have thought you'd want to go slightly positive camber for drag. When you get that initial squat off the line you'll get some camber gains in bump that I thought you'd want to account for.

EDIT:
for the OP, the most helpful thread I've found
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103609
It's in the suspension forum and for some reason doesn't appear to be a sticky (unless my coffee just hasn't kicked in yet).
The old 33 didn't squat that hard

Circa 2012
Attached Images
 
__________________
Disclaimer: This post represents the official views of the voices in my head at the time of posting.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133311
I'm only here for the biscuits
86MLR is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to 86MLR For This Useful Post:
maslin (08-20-2019)
Old 08-20-2019, 08:53 AM   #10
CrowsFeast
Senior Member
 
CrowsFeast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Drives: 2013 BRZ Sport-Tech
Location: Toronto
Posts: 354
Thanks: 184
Thanked 179 Times in 121 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 86MLR View Post
The old 33 didn't squat that hard

Circa 2012
Oooo... Love me a 33.
CrowsFeast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2019, 11:01 AM   #11
CrowsFeast
Senior Member
 
CrowsFeast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Drives: 2013 BRZ Sport-Tech
Location: Toronto
Posts: 354
Thanks: 184
Thanked 179 Times in 121 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZDan View Post
It ain't hard but there's a lot of misinformation about...

Stock car, there's no camber adjustment, so zero toe all around and done.

Biggest shortcoming of stock car is near-zero front camber. This can be remedied to some degree with camber bolts.

For street car, spirited driving, I say get camber bolts and install for max negative front camber, and zero toe all around.

Done.
I tend to advise against fully zero toe but rather a slight toe in or out depending on driving style and preference. I have slight toe in at all 4 corners but may opt for some toe out in front after some experimentation.

The reason for this is that quite often a car with zero toe all around will be less stable or have a tendency to wander while travelling down the road (sometimes felt as tram-lining). If the wheels are fighting each other slightly (either in or out) it tends to have a stabilizing effect (toe-in more so). Depending on your tires, local roads composition, personal preferences, position of earth relative to the sun, etc. you may not have the same experience so it may not matter but just my $.02
CrowsFeast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2019, 06:17 PM   #12
86MLR
Senior Member
 
86MLR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Drives: 2002 VX Commodore SS LS1 Auto
Location: Sydney
Posts: 2,203
Thanks: 500
Thanked 2,185 Times in 1,111 Posts
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
https://drivermod.ca/2016/01/29/how-much-camber/
__________________
Disclaimer: This post represents the official views of the voices in my head at the time of posting.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133311
I'm only here for the biscuits
86MLR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-22-2019, 07:16 PM   #13
relentless717
Junior Member
 
relentless717's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Drives: BRZ STI 2019
Location: West Japan
Posts: 6
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Thanks .... !!!

Again, I would like to really thank all the people on this thread for their feedback !!


This is all truly going to help my getting an ideal setup.....up to including some suspension mods.
relentless717 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
RS1 alignment specs DarkSideFRS Suspension | Chassis | Brakes -- Sponsored by 949 Racing 0 08-08-2017 12:21 PM
Alignment specs Thatguyjeremy Wheels | Tires | Spacers | Hub -- Sponsored by The Tire Rack 3 05-06-2015 01:49 PM
Dedicated Daily Commuter Thread Monogram Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum 66 01-25-2014 02:08 AM
Alignment Specs? 86_ZN6 Suspension | Chassis | Brakes -- Sponsored by 949 Racing 13 06-10-2013 06:30 PM
Alignment specs? russv Suspension | Chassis | Brakes -- Sponsored by 949 Racing 2 02-03-2013 10:16 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:01 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.