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Spawn_Of_Creation · 07-19-2018, 05:35 AM

What I have learned from this thread:

0. There is a game
1. You can't win.
2. You can't break even.
3. You can't even get out of the game.
4. The game is rigged. Don’t let that stop you; if you don’t bet, you can’t win.
5. It is always possible to agglutinate multiple separate problems into a single complex interdependent solution. In most cases this is a bad idea.
6. With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

Adam_L · 07-19-2018, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86raus

Toyota said the 4cylinder supra is for people who want a cheap supra to swap out with a 2jz. It is not replacing the 86 they are offering 4cylinder engine in the supra for this reason!

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Swapping out engines isn't cheap. All engines I've heard mentioned for the Supra stock/ new/ OE, are BMW engineered. No bueno

Tcoat · 07-19-2018, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86raus

Toyota said the 4cylinder supra is for people who want a cheap supra to swap out with a 2jz. It is not replacing the 86 they are offering 4cylinder engine in the supra for this reason!

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Toyota said no such thing. R&T claimed that Tada said it. The fact it was even in the article is one of the reasons I doubt the validity of the whole thing. I have a very hard time believing that Toyota would spend the extra R&D time and money to develop a low level car so that people can put a 20 year old engine in it. It was a great engine but designing a car to go backwards in technology is not something that usually happens.

The "interview" was probably more like
"Hey Tada if if you made a 4 version would it be a the better choice for an engine swap because It was cheaper?"
Tada- "well yes I suppose if we did make one"
Article - "Tada says that they are making the 4 so it is cheaper to swap".

86raus · 07-19-2018, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Toyota said no such thing. R&T claimed that Tada said it. The fact it was even in the article is one of the reasons I doubt the validity of the whole thing. I have a very hard time believing that Toyota would spend the extra R&D time and money to develop a low level car so that people can put a 20 year old engine in it. It was a great engine but designing a car to go backwards in technology is not something that usually happens.

The "interview" was probably more like
"Hey Tada if if you made a 4 version would it be a the better choice for an engine swap because It was cheaper?"
Tada- "well yes I suppose if we did make one"
Article - "Tada says that they are making the 4 so it is cheaper to swap".

Testsuya Tada = chief engineer = toyota. So I'll reiterate toyota is making 4cylinder so people can swap 2jz in. Even the 4cylinder prob start at 50kaud anyway so I doubt it replaces the 86.

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Dadhawk · 07-19-2018, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86raus

Testsuya Tada = chief engineer = toyota. So I'll reiterate toyota is making 4cylinder so people can swap 2jz in. Even the 4cylinder prob start at 50kaud anyway so I doubt it replaces the 86.

So then, why not just build it without an engine? Seems like that makes it even simpler and cheaper to swap.

Tcoat · 07-19-2018, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86raus

Testsuya Tada = chief engineer = toyota. So I'll reiterate toyota is making 4cylinder so people can swap 2jz in. Even the 4cylinder prob start at 50kaud anyway so I doubt it replaces the 86.

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R&T does NOT equal Tada nor Toyota. You are only showing part of the equation. Show me a Toyota release that says it and I will believe.

ermax · 07-19-2018, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86raus

Testsuya Tada = chief engineer = toyota. So I'll reiterate toyota is making 4cylinder so people can swap 2jz in. Even the 4cylinder prob start at 50kaud anyway so I doubt it replaces the 86.

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I have no doubt Toyota is making a Supra 4 and I don't doubt that Tada said what he said.

The quote was "please buy the four-cylinder. It will be cheaper."

This is probably the context it was in:
R&T: "so do you think people will buy the Supra and swap in a 2JZ?"
Tada: "If they do, please buy the four-cylinder. It will be cheaper."

The context it probably was not in:
R&T: "so why are you guys making a 4"
Tada: "because we know there will be people out there that want to swap in an old ass 750lbs 2JZ, so please buy the four-cylinder. It will be cheaper."

No way in hell is Toyota making a car just for engine swaps. Beside the 2JZ is crazy heavy (iron block). It would turn an already heavy car into an ultra heavy car.

Tcoat · 07-19-2018, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by stevesnj

The engineer speaking about the car supplies illogical information?

No, but website articles that attribute comments not made, edit answers to fit their own speculation or just outright misquote and make shit up do.
Notice that most of these articles do not show an actual question and answer interview but just state "Tada said"?

funwheeldrive · 07-19-2018, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ermax

I have no doubt Toyota is making a Supra 4 and I don't doubt that Tada said what he said.

The quote was "please buy the four-cylinder. It will be cheaper."

This is probably the context it was in:
R&T: "so do you think people will buy the Supra and swap in a 2JZ?"
Tada: "If they do, please buy the four-cylinder. It will be cheaper."

The context it probably was not in:
R&T: "so why are you guys making a 4"
Tada: "because we know there will be people out there that want to swap in an old ass 750lbs 2JZ, so please buy the four-cylinder. It will be cheaper."

No way in hell is Toyota making a car just for engine swaps. Beside the 2JZ is crazy heavy (iron block). It would turn an already heavy car into an ultra heavy car.

Thanks for typing that so I didn't have to.

HachiRokuX · 07-19-2018, 10:21 AM

I don’t know who is right or wrong in this thread but I’m enjoying the discussion. It’s Toyota’s fault for not giving detailed launch information.. we can’t even agree on the weight ..

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PetrolioBenzina · 07-19-2018, 10:36 AM

I nominate this thread for "epic" status. All this, based on four letters on a graphic.

PetrolioBenzina · 07-19-2018, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by FR-Sky

Jesus, take it easy man.

What I mean by "POOR" referring to my "BABY" FRS.

I know what you meant.

PetrolioBenzina · 07-19-2018, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

So then, why not just build it without an engine? Seems like that makes it even simpler and cheaper to swap.

That's an awesome idea. Amazon delivers a complete, ready-to-go body and a parts catalog. When they get large-scale metal 3d printing figured out, an auto factory will be the size of a barn and have one dude running the show.

I'll just mention "Autofac" by P.K. D i c k first. Did you know the word "****" gets edited?

PetrolioBenzina · 07-19-2018, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen W.

This is “Good” kind of leaning I know!

This is the "bad".

Not sure a high-side is technically a "lean".

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