another option for swap - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

L.S.X · 06-14-2018, 10:10 AM

recently one of my friends sent me picture of some guy that claim to have the solution for swapping engines in frs-brz-gt86 etc.

i talked with that guy he said ecumasters emu black will do the trick

then i talked with ecumasters support and they confirmed this info

so ecumasters emu black will cost 1099 for the ecu only

please excuse my english this is just to let everyone know

spitfire481 · 06-14-2018, 03:50 PM

almost any standalone with a canbus can be programmed to control a swap. programming that canbus to control all factory aspects of the chassis is where the development comes into play

DustinS · 06-14-2018, 03:58 PM

Only has 6 ignition outputs. LS has smart coils do they not? So wouldn't work?

Yoshoobaroo · 06-14-2018, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DustinS

Only has 6 ignition outputs. LS has smart coils do they not? So wouldn't work?

You could run lost spark.

L.S.X · 06-15-2018, 10:18 AM

the support guy told me they got the can bus stream for our cars

so i think you need wiring and that's all

all4spl · 06-15-2018, 10:44 AM

hmmm I'm interested in this! I was originally looking to do emtron.

Pure Automotive · 06-18-2018, 03:37 PM

Every other company has failed to do complete integration so far. I had a guy tell me "Haltech said for sure it will work" guess what, it never did. I'm all for other options, but if you want everything to work in the car like factory, I wouldn't hold your breath.

Even if they have the CAN figured out, you still have to get it correctly wired and terminated in the car. As well as getting a proper engine harness, as well as having the ability to make the software work with the car, it is FAR from a couple clicks away. By the time you buy the ECU, make a jumper, buy a harness, buy all the necessary sensors and pay some poor guy to try and make 7 square pegs fit into a round hole, you'll be near the cost of a proper kit that really works.

Is it really worth risking a huge waste of your time to save a couple bucks?

MRS-Colin · 06-20-2018, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pure Automotive

Every other company has failed to do complete integration so far. I had a guy tell me "Haltech said for sure it will work" guess what, it never did. I'm all for other options, but if you want everything to work in the car like factory, I wouldn't hold your breath.

Even if they have the CAN figured out, you still have to get it correctly wired and terminated in the car. As well as getting a proper engine harness, as well as having the ability to make the software work with the car, it is FAR from a couple clicks away. By the time you buy the ECU, make a jumper, buy a harness, buy all the necessary sensors and pay some poor guy to try and make 7 square pegs fit into a round hole, you'll be near the cost of a proper kit that really works.

Is it really worth risking a huge waste of your time to save a couple bucks?

Correctly wired and terminated? You mean two wires and an internal termination resistor most all ECUs have?

I agree with the CAN data stream creation being difficult, but cmon, CAN is two wires.

Pure Automotive · 06-20-2018, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MRS-Colin

Correctly wired and terminated? You mean two wires and an internal termination resistor most all ECUs have?

I agree with the CAN data stream creation being difficult, but cmon, CAN is two wires.

I'm referring more to the "plug and play" lingo that they use

MRS-Colin · 06-21-2018, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pure Automotive

I'm referring more to the "plug and play" lingo that they use

Fair. Nothing is truly plug n' play.

L.S.X · 06-25-2018, 07:24 PM

no body said anything about plug and play put this will cost 4k less than motec ecu

Hags86 · 08-14-2018, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MRS-Colin

Correctly wired and terminated? You mean two wires and an internal termination resistor most all ECUs have?

I agree with the CAN data stream creation being difficult, but cmon, CAN is two wires.

No. I think he's referring to the approximately 100 other wires (injectors, cam control, throttle body, sensors etc). The kits that have been sorted have a adapter harness to the OEM wiring.

Clash0901 · 08-15-2018, 07:50 AM

I've done the research, spent hours online and on the phone. Everybody has had problems and there are inconsistencies except for MoTeC. If you try to save money and cut corners you will pay twice. Do it right the first time and just buy MoTeC!!

rob 2fast4u · 08-15-2018, 12:08 PM

I spent a weekend making my own harness for the 2jz with my EMU classic in my brz. all new sensors turned out to be less than 3,000$, also got a tablet dash with real dash app so it displays anything I want without buying more gauges or one could get a lcd race dash (aem, ecu master, aim,...)

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L.S.X Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Drives: ft86 Location: kuwait Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	another option for swap recently one of my friends sent me picture of some guy that claim to have the solution for swapping engines in frs-brz-gt86 etc. i talked with that guy he said ecumasters emu black will do the trick then i talked with ecumasters support and they confirmed this info so ecumasters emu black will cost 1099 for the ecu only please excuse my english this is just to let everyone know

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rob 2fast4u Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Drives: 2JZ BRZ Location: NS, CAN Posts: 56 Thanks: 3 Thanked 40 Times in 14 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I spent a weekend making my own harness for the 2jz with my EMU classic in my brz. all new sensors turned out to be less than 3,000$, also got a tablet dash with real dash app so it displays anything I want without buying more gauges or one could get a lcd race dash (aem, ecu master, aim,...) __________________ 2 J Z B U I L D http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123903

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L.S.X Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Drives: ft86 Location: kuwait Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	the support guy told me they got the can bus stream for our cars so i think you need wiring and that's all

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all4spl Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Drives: 2013 FR-S Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 400 Thanks: 61 Thanked 78 Times in 60 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	hmmm I'm interested in this! I was originally looking to do emtron.

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Pure Automotive Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: 2013 FRS Whiteout Location: Millersville, MD Posts: 2,035 Thanks: 735 Thanked 1,952 Times in 650 Posts Mentioned: 147 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Every other company has failed to do complete integration so far. I had a guy tell me "Haltech said for sure it will work" guess what, it never did. I'm all for other options, but if you want everything to work in the car like factory, I wouldn't hold your breath. Even if they have the CAN figured out, you still have to get it correctly wired and terminated in the car. As well as getting a proper engine harness, as well as having the ability to make the software work with the car, it is FAR from a couple clicks away. By the time you buy the ECU, make a jumper, buy a harness, buy all the necessary sensors and pay some poor guy to try and make 7 square pegs fit into a round hole, you'll be near the cost of a proper kit that really works. Is it really worth risking a huge waste of your time to save a couple bucks?

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L.S.X Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Drives: ft86 Location: kuwait Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	no body said anything about plug and play put this will cost 4k less than motec ecu

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