More confirmation from Toyota on next gen 86

[scuzzy]

Car Buzz is now confirming the rumor by Torque News that confirmed the rumor by BestCar.

What more proof do we need people?

The voices in my head approve this message.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by scuzzy

Car Buzz is now confirming the rumor by Torque News that confirmed the rumor by BestCar.

What more proof do we need people?

The voices in my head approve this message.

Don't worry. Eventually the things will become so top heavy that BestCar will quote the one, quoting the one, quoting the one, quoting the one, quoting the one, quoting them as new information.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Why would the 2.4 be any heavier? The exterior dimensions of the engine are the same. It is a 9.5% increase in bore diameter. That's it.

That's assuming they would use the same transmission, driveshaft, axles, brakes, etc. I'd say the chances of a switch to a higher hp, larger displacement engine without any weight gain would be slim to none.

[Adam_L]

Yeah, it would increase in weight by at least 70-80 lbs, by going to a 2.4L , but if they can offset that weight in other areas of the car.....then that would be the master plan (as others have eluded to).

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

That's assuming they would use the same transmission, driveshaft, axles, brakes, etc. I'd say the chances of a switch to a higher hp, larger displacement engine without any weight gain would be slim to none.

Originally Posted by Adam_L

Yeah, it would increase in weight by at least 70-80 lbs, by going to a 2.4L , but if they can offset that weight in other areas of the car.....then that would be the master plan (as others have eluded to).

Going from a 2.0 to a 2.4 doesn't necessarily mean added weight...
Legend has it that Chevy engineers used weight savings from larger bores in the same block as an argument to go from 427 to 454 c.i. way back when

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I was talking "as built now". It IS a lower revving engine. Or more accurately the power is delivered at lower revs. No doubt it could be designed to rev faster for an NA application but we are back to what would be the cost to emissions and mileage?

Gotcha. I think you’re right, emissions will be the hold up.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Going from a 2.0 to a 2.4 doesn't necessarily mean added weight...
Legend has it that Chevy engineers used weight savings from larger bores in the same block as an argument to go from 427 to 454 c.i. way back when

Comparing apples to pumpkins though. I do not believe that the FA24 is just a bored out FA20 (anybody?) but a dedicated block all on it's own. They can get weight savings by boring out a big cast iron V8 with loads of material to spare. Boring out an aluminum boxer block that is already as compact as they feel they can safely make it is a whole different matter.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

That's assuming they would use the same transmission, driveshaft, axles, brakes, etc. I'd say the chances of a switch to a higher hp, larger displacement engine without any weight gain would be slim to none.

They gave the 17 5HP and it went up a few pounds. The idea of higher HP with less weight is a pipe dream. Not sure how they could save more weight anyway without going to materials that are going to jack the price. Hell, as you said everything would need to be heavier to deal with the power so all of a sudden it is a $55K car that everybody will still say is under powered and too heavy for the price.

[Dirty Harry]

https://www.motoring.com.au/tokyo-mo...reveal-120681/

And the “pièce de résistance”, article from motoring.com.au

Interesting to see if anything is revealed at the Tokyo Motor Show next month according the article.

Letter to the editor if it’s wrong lol: mike.sinclair@carsales.com.au

[Yoshoobaroo]

FWIW, when the ND came out Mazda said it only had 155hp to keep the weight of the driveline, brakes, spindles, etc, down.

Then 4 years later they drop 30 more horses in it and they don’t beef anything else up.

Point I’m making is that all of the components in the car have a healthy factor of safety in them (min FS of 2-3 is common in automotive), so a 10% bump in HP probably doesn’t require much redesign if any.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

FWIW, when the ND came out Mazda said it only had 155hp to keep the weight of the driveline, brakes, spindles, etc, down.

Then 4 years later they drop 30 more horses in it and they don’t beef anything else up.

Point I’m making is that all of the components in the car have a healthy factor of safety in them (min FS of 2-3 is common in automotive), so a 10% bump in HP probably doesn’t require much redesign if any.

Ahhh but see that is the kicker. Everybody seems to think (want?) at least a 30% increase. People are already replacing almost every single component from brakes to suspension because they are not robust enough to take track time. A built in safety factor is exactly that and it doesn't mean there is room to keep adding power. If they add poser they will beef up enough to maintain that safety factor proportionally.

[Yoshoobaroo]

If the power is higher than 226hp I’ll eat my hat.

I’ll also have to buy a hat first.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

If the power is higher than 226hp I’ll eat my hat.

I’ll also have to buy a hat first.

Agreed! But 226 is not the rumour.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

https://www.motoring.com.au/tokyo-mo...reveal-120681/

And the “pièce de résistance”, article from motoring.com.au

Interesting to see if anything is revealed at the Tokyo Motor Show next month according the article.

Letter to the editor if it’s wrong lol: mike.sinclair@carsales.com.au

So now they attribute the platform "change" to Bestcar? In the other article that you posted they said it was "insider" info. They can't even remember what they wrote on the subject a couple of months ago. Distinct possibility that it was their article that Bestcar used to justify the claim of a change to the Toyota platform. It has probably gone full circle now and will continue to spiral. The good news is we only have to wait a month to see who is right.

https://www.motoring.com.au/new-toyo...atform-118087/