Why are people selling their cars?

[utekineir]

Seems like the worlds gripe with this car is power. Being marketed to dudes who think their balls are the size of grapefruit I'm sure theres a fair bit of disappointment and ego crushing the first time a girl in a jetta leaves them looking silly. It doesn't help the salesmen talking up the car like you'll be paul walker 2.0 behind the wheel of it.

I told the salesman it was a slow car, he looked at me like I was nuts.

Similar deal when i bought a gti a few years ago the salesman tried to tell me what a race car it was till I gestured to the ls2 gto I had driven there.

The car is slow, no bones about it. But it lets me enjoy the power of other faster cars so much more. If you just want a fun drive and good mileage it hits the marks, otherwise, maybe you'll be ditching it in a year.

[lickitysplit]

Originally Posted by utekineir

Seems like the worlds gripe with this car is power. Being marketed to dudes who think their balls are the size of grapefruit I'm sure theres a fair bit of disappointment and ego crushing the first time a girl in a jetta leaves them looking silly. It doesn't help the salesmen talking up the car like you'll be paul walker 2.0 behind the wheel of it.

I told the salesman it was a slow car, he looked at me like I was nuts.

Similar deal when i bought a gti a few years ago the salesman tried to tell me what a race car it was till I gestured to the ls2 gto I had driven there.

The car is slow, no bones about it. But it lets me enjoy the power of other faster cars so much more. If you just want a fun drive and good mileage it hits the marks, otherwise, maybe you'll be ditching it in a year.

I still think its a little much to call the car slow. There are faster things out there, but there are far more slower things out there too.

[Onealpha]

Speed is relative to your perception. To me its slow, but in a good way. 125 mph at Turn One of Brno at full lean, scraping my knee when the back end of the superbike starts to wiggle, is fast. Yes, the BRZ is slow, but in a good way.

[utekineir]

When compared to a loaded school bus on its way to fat camp these look like a pretty quick car. Sitting still at a red light, they look pretty quick.

For the way the car looks and is presented by marketing and salesmen, its slow. Especially for the person that doesn't attempt to sit below or above the torque dip.

I love the car, but i can totally see where someone who sees themself as speed racer, or a person that only has one car may lust for the car, then get it and decide it isn't for them.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

Really... the FR-S is miles ahead of a POS Mustang... Such a horrible, poorly designed, uncomfortable POS

The V6 Mustang has nearly double the torque with a 25% weight increase. Yeah it feels like a truck but it's a truck that can spin the tires in third gear which is something we can't say.

Different strokes for different folks.

[autobrz]

Everytime I see one, my first reaction is it looks like it has about 300hp and can do burnouts pretty easily. I think Toyota put too much fast into the styling which is very cool but makes the car appear much faster than it actually is.

But I don't look at my brz when I'm driving and I'm very happy with the stock power because I don't need to blow past mini-vans from stop lights to feel manly, lol...

[thill]

Originally Posted by utekineir

When compared to a loaded school bus on its way to fat camp these look like a pretty quick car. Sitting still at a red light, they look pretty quick.

For the way the car looks and is presented by marketing and salesmen, its slow. Especially for the person that doesn't attempt to sit below or above the torque dip.

I love the car, but i can totally see where someone who sees themself as speed racer, or a person that only has one car may lust for the car, then get it and decide it isn't for them.

And I still don't understand how someone could not notice this (lack of power/torque) after the first test drive. I was a little disappointed with the lack of torque, but all the other attributes of the car easily won me over.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

The V6 Mustang has nearly double the torque with a 25% weight increase. Yeah it feels like a truck but it's a truck that can spin the tires in third gear which is something we can't say.

Different strokes for different folks.

No it can't, I had an 06 GT and it couldn't spin the tires in 3rd gear... and the V6 is open diff, so it can only do 1 wheel wonders.

[utekineir]

Originally Posted by thill

And I still don't understand how someone could not notice this (lack of power/torque) after the first test drive. I was a little disappointed with the lack of torque, but all the other attributes of the car easily won me over.

a lot of salesmen were being pretty whoreish about test drives due to the huge amount of people wanting to joyride, especially around launch. The given excuse i saw was to keep "miles down" for picky buyers. Many also were willing to buy without a test drive following the hype in the last number of years and every journalist suppressing their long object gag reflex for this car.

i know the route i was given with salesman didn't give an opportunity to experience the torque dip due to the roads, basically it was a local loop that showed off the pre torque dip drivability. It actually felt better than i was expecting far as local small road driving went.

the car i bought at a different dealer didn't even sit in till papers were signed

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

The V6 Mustang...

...it's a truck that can spin the tires in third gear which is something we can't say.

Do you refer to chirping the tires shifting into the gear, or spinning the tires in-gear due to abundance of power?

I've always wondered why less-powerful cars are criticized that they cannot spin the tires at will. It's hardly a measure of a car's performance. Sometimes it is an after-effect of being very powerful but more often it's simply the result of running crap tires.

Having been in RWD cars that can spin (grippy) tires from a 3rd or 4th gear roll... it is not all it's cracked up to be. Sometimes it's pretty damn terrifying.

Food for thought. :happy0180:

[thill]

Originally Posted by utekineir

a lot of salesmen were being pretty whoreish about test drives due to the huge amount of people wanting to joyride, especially around launch. The given excuse i saw was to keep "miles down" for picky buyers. Many also were willing to buy without a test drive following the hype in the last number of years and every journalist suppressing their long object gag reflex for this car.

i know the route i was given with salesman didn't give an opportunity to experience the torque dip due to the roads, basically it was a local loop that showed off the pre torque dip drivability. It actually felt better than i was expecting far as local small road driving went.

the car i bought at a different dealer didn't even sit in till papers were signed

Well, then it is hard to feel sorry for people how have buyers remorse for buying a car that they never drove and only read about on the internet.

I guess lesson learned. No matter how hyped a car is, you should always test drive it. If the dealership refuses to let you test drive a car you are spending $25-30K on, then either find another dealer or wait until the hype dies down.

You don't have to drive this car hard to understand the power limitations. They are readily apparent after driving faster cars.

[utekineir]

Originally Posted by thill

You don't have to drive this car hard to understand the power limitations. They are readily apparent after driving faster cars.

Put johnny race car who's got the dopest tc in the subdivision behind the wheel of a twin on a route with 3 school zones 5 corners and a couple red lights and he'll have his mom in for the cosign by the afternoon.


holler

[thill]

Originally Posted by utekineir

Put johnny race car who's got the dopest tc in the subdivision behind the wheel of a twin on a route with 3 school zones 5 corners and a couple red lights and he'll have his mom in for the cosign by the afternoon.


holler

Well sure this car is definitely faster than a TC. But even all the reviews were pretty honest about this car not being as fast as a 6 cylinder Mustang, Gencoupe, Focus ST, Mazda Speed3, etc. If people were expecting this car to be as fast off the line as most of the competitors, they did not do their homework and bought the wrong car. Again, I have no sympathy.

[utekineir]

Are you saying the average American is dumb as shit and makes poor purchasing decisions?