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View Poll Results: What name should Toyota use for the production Toyota FT-1?
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I don't know, but its time for a new name. 125 25.41%
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Old 06-07-2018, 01:50 PM   #2605
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The price is too high but I can see it happening. The Supra name alone is enough to justify the pricing. Unless you're a BMW die hard enthusiast, everyone else will get the lesser performing Supra over a more powerful and capabile M2 just for the name. I can easily see the first few ones marked up by dealerships to 6 digit figures and then slowly go down to 60-65k by 2020.

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Old 06-07-2018, 03:07 PM   #2606
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I'm sorry, but the Supra name does not have more prestige than BMW M cars. I'm not a BMW fanboy by any means but that's a ridiculous notion. BMW has 3+ decades of building top notch M cars and Toyota built one car (the MkIV) for less than 10. And only 5 years in the US. And the Supra name won't matter much given that it's engine is almost literally straight out of a BMW M. Ditto building the car in Austria. I'd almost believe you if Toyota was building this car 100% in house. But that's not the case.

If those figures are true people that care about the total driving experience will pick the BMW. Manual transmission, manual transmission, manual transmission.
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Old 06-07-2018, 03:15 PM   #2607
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Let's agree to disagree. This is an 86 forum and this thread has over 2000 posts. There has been a forum for the MKV for years. The Supra name has by far imo the biggest fan club in the automotive industry. I'm not saying it's better than an M car. But I'm pretty certain the Supra has way more fan boys than BMW M cars. Just go to a car meet and any supra will get much more attention than a BMW of any sort. And that is where the huge mark up comes from.

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Old 06-07-2018, 03:29 PM   #2608
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Your logic is frustrating. No kidding, a rare car gets attention? Toyota built less than 5,000 Twin Turbos for the USDM (worldwide I don't know). BMW has sold well over 100,000 M performance sedans/coupes in the US alone. Well over 10,000 a year - more than the Supra's entire production run, INCLUDING the non-turbos.

I have desire to ever buy anything BMW currently builds, but historically they've been way kinder to the auto enthusiast. For the last 20 years Toyota has mostly pretended to care about us.

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Your logic is frustrating. No kidding, a rare car gets attention? Toyota built less than 5,000 Twin Turbos for the USDM (worldwide I don't know). BMW has sold well over 100,000 M performance sedans/coupes in the US alone. Well over 10,000 a year - more than the Supra's entire production run, INCLUDING the non-turbos.

I have desire to ever buy anything BMW currently builds, but historically they've been way kinder to the auto enthusiast. For the last 20 years Toyota has mostly pretended to care about us.

You said it yourself. It's rare. The first few cars will get huge mark ups for that exact reason. Imagine you have the first supra in your area, the fan boys will be all up in your a**. Once the hype dies down the price will drop rapidly but probably still be in the 50-60k region. The supra will not be as abundant as the 86 or M cars. If it was then yes, I don't suspect it will cost as much. It will probably be as common as an LC500 and we all know how much that costs.

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On the very last page one of Toyota's engineers said they want the car to be attainable and not too expensive. That's in direct conflict with what you just stated.

We're not talking about the first units to roll off the line. That has literally nothing to do with the conversation we're having here.
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On the very last page one of Toyota's engineers said they want the car to be attainable and not too expensive. That's in direct conflict with what you just stated.

We're not talking about the first units to roll off the line. That has literally nothing to do with the conversation we're having here.
If that's true then yeah, it's all about the numbers. But somehow I doubt it will be as attainable as they claim it will be but we'll see.

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On the very last page one of Toyota's engineers said they want the car to be attainable and not too expensive. That's in direct conflict with what you just stated.
You have to take that in context though. This engineer is talking about this in a world where $60,000+ US pickup trucks being relatively common.
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the pricing is pretty insane considering the performance but in some ways I think Toyota really believes it is justified...as an individual brand name, I would also agree that "Supra" has a lot equity among "light" enthusiasts...there are plenty of folks who don't know how to drive stick or change their oil but know all about the Supra...comparing them to M cars isn't entirely fair considering BMW has pretty much branded their entire lineup with a M variant which I think confuses a lot of those folks.
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^^^Toyota has already gone on record saying they only plan to sell around 15,000 per year, regardless of demand. That means, outside of initial (stupid) demand, a la Civic Type R, they won't sell for a premium.

Agreed, light enthusiasts. Most of the people you're describing wouldn't know what a Supra was without the Fast and Furious movie (first one). Those people are 1) hardly sports enthusiasts 2) unlikely to cough up money and actually buy one. So that means nothing for the type of following/loyalty that sports car lines have.

There's a strong possibility that Toyota will destroy their Supra heritage with this car, going down the same path as the NSX. I like discussing it because it's fun, but as soon as a manual transmission was dismissed as an option my interest in ever owning one disappeared.
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^^^Toyota has already gone on record saying they only plan to sell around 10,000 per year, regardless of demand. That means, outside of initial (stupid) demand, a la Civic Type R, they won't sell for a premium.

Agreed, light enthusiasts. Most of the people you're describing wouldn't know what a Supra was without the Fast and Furious movie (first one). Those people are 1) hardly sports enthusiasts 2) unlikely to cough up money and actually buy one. So that means nothing for the type of following/loyalty that sports car lines have.

There's a strong possibility that Toyota will destroy their Supra heritage with this car, going down the same path as the NSX. I like discussing it because it's fun, but as soon as a manual transmission was dismissed as an option my interest in ever owning one disappeared.
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Sorry for the error. 5,000 off isn't much, except when it's 50% wrong
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The Supra name has by far imo the biggest fan club in the automotive industry.

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