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2. That is cool if it works out someday, but it seems far less convenient to create hydrogen at home then have to use it to charge a car battery, when charging a battery directly would take two seconds to plug in a charger. I already do that now with my trickle charger for my Braille battery, as well as, my phone and laptop. What's one more thing? 3. I don't get your point? The Toyota Mirai weighs 4078lbs. The Model 3 weighs 3552-4072lbs. The Mirai has a battery, motor, a hydrogen cell and a hydrogen to electric converter, so yes, a smaller battery, but more stuff. There is less space in the hydrogen car; there is less safety in crash tests; there is less performance (0-60 of 9.0s). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Mirai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_3 4. It is either a status symbol theory, or the infrastructure isn't in place to make hydrogen cars popular/feasible; where anyone who has a home could charge an electric car, which is the other theory for why they are so successful. Superchargers only exist to allow for far distance travel for people who want to travel far distances in a Tesla or who have no other car in their household (most families do), or they are for people without access to a home charger or a close standard charger. 5. "Real car companies." Is there really a need for these stabs or insulting anecdotes? They get old. Toyota is investing in hydrogen for many reasons. For one thing, they already have invested in the technology, so it behooves them to try and make it work than cutting their losses. They could also be doing it because that is what could work in places like Japan or in some markets. Why aren't they working on electric? Because they already know how to make electric because they have been making hybrids forever, so maybe they don't believe the hype or tech is there (others do). Maybe they don't want to buck their current practices until the last minute when they will then dive into the market. Maybe they are quietly working on their tech, and they will wait for the batteries to reach more mileage or be cheaper. Volvo, VW and others do believe the hype, which is why they are plunging into development.
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If we want a replacement for ICE then we need to consider what the vehicle does in all missions. Yes, daily commuting it is fine as long as you stay within the round trip range of the car charged at home. But what about all the other uses of vehicles? Long distance travel is not practical (to me) in an electric vehicle. Could I drive one pretty much anywhere? Sure as long as I'm not in a hurry (back to the time is money argument) and I make sure to plan my trip to the nth detail if I'm going outside the Interstate system. (Yes, its getting better). Not a compromise I'm willing to make yet and I do good bit of that. The Military, for example, will not be able to run off batteries. Honestly, I don't think there is one single viable solution, different fuels for different purposes. My concern is we go all in on one, without considering the bigger picture.
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I sort of confused the matter by skipping a step.
The statement in question was: "But the internal combustion engine runs on ordinary gasoline, it always has....Without gasoline, we can't get the DeLorean up to 88 miles per hour." This only applied to the first version of the time machine. In the BTTF universe the ICE engine probably disappeared some time around 2010. If the tech to make the Mr Fusion fuel source was a consumer level commodity by 2015 it means that at least enough time had gone by for it to become the norm. With that fuel source the ICE engine would not be needed at all even for normal "driving". In fact by then not only does it not need gasoline for the ICE... The locomotive takes it even further in that it doesn't even have an ICE since steam power is external combustion. On a side note there is not a hope in hell of getting an ICE DeLorean up to 88mph in the distances shown anyway. It would be impossible with a 10+ 0 to 60. Need to be a bloody big parking lot.
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2. It's far more convenient to not need to create hydrogen at home than it is to install home charging infrastructure. Not everyone can get a type 2 charger, and type 1s aren't going to cut it by my quick estimate. Even a type 2 might be too slow in some situations. 3. The Mirai uses NiMH batteries and a motor designed for use in conjunction with an gas engine to power the car. It's a large-scale test bed, not an optimized solution. I need to check in on the 2021 version, I hear that's much better in some ways. 4. Dadhawk's response is about what I would say. 5. Volvo, VW, and others are catering to market hype. If battery vehicles are what consumers want, boy can they pump out some battery vehicles and make a quick buck. The fact that Toyota and others continue to invest is indicative of a good, competitive solution that just doesn't have the marketing behind it. Nobody is seriously investing in solar powered or even wind-powered cars (sails) because those are simply bad solutions. |
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No one would buy an EV of you couldn't charge it at home. By the same token, very few people would try to power up a fuel cell at home if it can be done at the local station in a reasonable amount of time (which it could be).
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A level 2 home charger does at best 50 miles of range per hour, so 40 hours. Reference here.
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I think you guys are creating more of a problem than what exists. The car meets the needs of the masses, but not everyone. No one is claiming anything different.
The average person drives 30 miles a day: https://newsroom.aaa.com/2015/04/new...torists-drive/ The time to recharge that 30 miles on a V3 Supercharger is around 3 minutes. Faster than most people spend in line at Starbucks every morning. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...er-tested/amp/ If someone doesn’t want to install a 240v outlet then the 120v will add 3-5 miles of range per hour, which is 8-10 hours of charging for 30 miles. A 240v socket like that of a dryer or stove from an older home will add 22 miles of range per hour, so it would take 1.5 hours to add 30 miles. Again, for the vast majority of people, this meets their daily needs. https://teslatap.com/articles/tesla-...harging-guide/
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