New 510 concept (Nissan IDx)

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

The chevy looks good in person. The IDX looks hideous in pics and in person.

Not a huge fan of the IDx looks, but I do think it's better looking than the Chevy.

Supposedly, the IDx concept vehicles are built on the Nissan Silvia S15 chasis. I wish they would just modernize the S15 and give us an S16 instead of trying to do this retro-modern shit.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

What because it shares a couple of suspension components it is the same platform?
Based on and "made out of" are not the same thing.

And what exactly do these same suspension components attach to?

And to the guy using different ground clearance and CoG as evidence. Seriously?

This has been established for years. It's a lightly modified Impreza chassis.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dimman

And what exactly do these same suspension components attach to?

And to the guy using different ground clearance and CoG as evidence. Seriously?

This has been established for years. It's a lightly modified Impreza chassis.

Yep Sideways clarified his comment and all is good in the world! (I may act the fool but that does not mean I am one)

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by Dimman

And what exactly do these same suspension components attach to?

And to the guy using different ground clearance and CoG as evidence. Seriously?

This has been established for years. It's a lightly modified Impreza chassis.

Ground clearance and Center of Gravity is a direct result of engine positioning. Engine attaches to???

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

Ground clearance and Center of Gravity is a direct result of engine positioning. Engine attaches to???

Ever notice the moar lowah coiloverz trend? Think that has any effect on CoG?

No reason a wannabe rally car to have more ground clearance and suspension travel, though...

Troll harder, guys. I believe in you!





Heh...

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Ever notice the moar lowah coiloverz trend? Think that has any effect on CoG?

No reason a wannabe rally car to have more ground clearance and suspension travel, though...

Troll harder, guys. I believe in you!





Heh...

yes... because the BRZ has a lower COG than 99.99999% of cars due to coilovers.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Not a huge fan of the IDx looks, but I do think it's better looking than the Chevy.

Supposedly, the IDx concept vehicles are built on the Nissan Silvia S15 chasis. I wish they would just modernize the S15 and give us an S16 instead of trying to do this retro-modern shit.

Chevy is to bad in person. Idx size seems wrong to be off an s15 but really what's a "chassis" these days? Subframes?

Idx proportions are just wrong and horrible. It's a throwback body with stupid high panels. Ugh. I tried to like it but both versions are bleh.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

Ground clearance and Center of Gravity is a direct result of engine positioning. Engine attaches to???

Subframe. Are they the same as an impreza? Doubt they are. Unibody isn't.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Chevy is to bad in person. Idx size seems wrong to be off an s15 but really what's a "chassis" these days? Subframes?

Idx proportions are just wrong and horrible. It's a throwback body with stupid high panels. Ugh. I tried to like it but both versions are bleh.

Is is indeed way too high in all ways. The roofline is so tall!

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by tahdizzle

yes... because the BRZ has a lower COG than 99.99999% of cars due to coilovers.

A slammed FR-S has a lower CoG than a stock one.

So that proves they are not the same chassis.

I guess I'm totally wrong on this.




Heh...

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by Dimman

A slammed FR-S has a lower CoG than a stock one.

So that proves they are not the same chassis.

I guess I'm totally wrong on this.




Heh...

yes.. absolutely right.

Just like a elephant covered in red paint is more red than a standard elephant.

congratulations.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Dimman

This has been established for years. It's a lightly modified Impreza chassis.

Eh, I think the crux is in "lightly" I'd argue that "lightly modified" would imply that many parts are straight swaps, they use the same tooling for manufacture, they share the same build process etc.

I'm pretty sure that they had to develop a brand new assembly line and all the associated tooling to build the thing, there are so many changes to the structure of the thing if you put them side by side (bare chassis) I'd be hard pressed to call them 'lightly different'

I couldn't find a bare Impreza chassis that wasn't somebodies hacked up project, so here's the 2015 STI, you can definitely see the similarities in the windshield/roofline, transmission tunnel, wheel arches, and frontal frame rails but beyond that I struggle to agree with you.

Let the mental masturbation continue!

[Captain Snooze]

I know this isn't in the same ballpark but it gave me a woody when it was shown.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Eh, I think the crux is in "lightly" I'd argue that "lightly modified" would imply that many parts are straight swaps, they use the same tooling for manufacture, they share the same build process etc.

I'm pretty sure that they had to develop a brand new assembly line and all the associated tooling to build the thing, there are so many changes to the structure of the thing if you put them side by side (bare chassis) I'd be hard pressed to call them 'lightly different'

I couldn't find a bare Impreza chassis that wasn't somebodies hacked up project, so here's the 2015 STI, you can definitely see the similarities in the windshield/roofline, transmission tunnel, wheel arches, and frontal frame rails but beyond that I struggle to agree with you.

Let the mental masturbation continue!

The 'lightly' is meant to be inflammatory.

Shh... Don't tell anyone.


Reality is, in automotive platform sharing terms, it IS lightly modified. But on a relative scale. The best example being the Nissan FM chassis architecture, whereas the Z, G coupe, G Sedan, Murano, FX, and the smaller Infiniti SUV are the same platform. The difference between a BRZ and an Impreza is about the same as a G coupe and G sedan. People seem to have little trouble accepting the G relationship, but the stretch between an EX35 and 350Z or BRZ and Impreza is flat out impossible to some people. To the unenlightened the name is more important than the engineering.

And I get a kick out of people using irrelevant facts to prove a point. Different CoG and clearance proves different chassis is fucking hilarious logic.

I'll stop now, though.



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