Insideline: FR-S vs. '85 Corolla GTS (AE86)

[StuttterButtter]

Great read i love these kinda articles. i wish more people understood what this car is about.

[Turbowned]

Originally Posted by Boxer 86

I have driven a friend of mine's (now in the Army) '85 GT-S and man what an awesome and lively car. Apart from the handling, the sound was one of the greatest factors.

Mmmhm! The 4AGE may not make much power but it has a great sound. Stock cars sound awesome above 4k rpm when the T-VIS (Toyota Variable Induction System) kicks in, and the newer 20v engines with VVT have a phenomenal induction sound thanks to the factory ITB's.

[demby123]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

Mmmhm! The 4AGE may not make much power but it has a great sound. Stock cars sound awesome above 4k rpm when the T-VIS (Toyota Variable Induction System) kicks in, and the newer 20v engines with VVT have a phenomenal induction sound thanks to the factory ITB's.

Dangit, of only they'd continue the RWD corolla into the 90s... the possibilities.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Scion FR-S

I'd be surprised if they didn't already have their hands on production versions, or have been at least taken to locations to drive them, much as Subaru took reviewers to Spain. Why would a production version of the BRZ be available to press many weeks before an FR-S?

That was not a production version. It was pre-production. No production BRZ have been delivered in Europe yet?

[Tugboat]

I have been waiting for a review like this... I have been lucky enough to enjoy the original and now I am looking to forward to driving the updated version.

[PERRIN_Chris]

I liked this article too. I had an AE86 almost 10 years ago, and have been waiting for a RWD spiritual successor like this for a long time.

[blofeld42]

"Sure, you're not going to easily stuff a bicycle in the back of a 2013 Scion FR-S"

Has anyone tried it? I'd really, really like to fit a bike back there and not have to use a bike rack. I'd be kinda surprised you can fit four wheels in back but not a bike.

[86design]

that was an awesome article

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by blofeld42

"Sure, you're not going to easily stuff a bicycle in the back of a 2013 Scion FR-S"

Has anyone tried it? I'd really, really like to fit a bike back there and not have to use a bike rack. I'd be kinda surprised you can fit four wheels in back but not a bike.

I didn't measure it, but I don't think you could fit a standard adult bike in the trunk without some dismantling. I'm not sure its even tall enough to handle a regular set of handlebars.

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by blofeld42

"Sure, you're not going to easily stuff a bicycle in the back of a 2013 Scion FR-S"

Has anyone tried it? I'd really, really like to fit a bike back there and not have to use a bike rack. I'd be kinda surprised you can fit four wheels in back but not a bike.

I'm pretty sure a bike will fit if you fold the seats and remove the front wheel. I've fit them into some pretty small cars in the past.

[86'd]

A track bike fit into our Mini with the front wheel removed (barely) and I think the FRS has more space than a Mini...so...

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by pastuch

Terrific article...

"considering the FR-S's double-wishbone rear suspension. MacPherson struts — good enough for every Porsche 911 ever built — remain in the front."

Meh, I definitely prefer double wishbones. Porsche 911's benefit from MacPherson strut's understeering tendencies since so much of the weight is in the rear. But for most cars, MacPherson strut is still inferior to double wishbones. Sure, some BMW, Porsche, and Audi's still use them and they have their cost/weight/size/stroke advantages but even the best of them can't overcome their inherent disadvantages. At least I can always tell the difference. Double wishbones just tend to seem more planted and linear and grippier at the limit. But it's obviously not a deal-breaker for me and I'm aware that it would have been very difficult, if not impossible for them to fit proper double wishbones with that wide boxer engine up front.

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by blofeld42

"Sure, you're not going to easily stuff a bicycle in the back of a 2013 Scion FR-S"

Has anyone tried it? I'd really, really like to fit a bike back there and not have to use a bike rack. I'd be kinda surprised you can fit four wheels in back but not a bike.

If I take the front wheel off and knock down the rear seats in my little Eclipse coupe, my mountain bike will just barely fit. So... it probably could fit.

[naticedog04]

nice article and thank you for sharring... it's great to hear the author experience the joys of driving each car. I hope they produce this car for at least four years or so. :happy0180: