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Old 10-31-2019, 11:01 AM   #62455
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Both of them were pilots and used to fly in and out of there all the time. They flew their small planes around like most people drive.
Yea, it has a huge number of flight ops every day, as it is the second busiest airport in GA (something like 650 flights a day). Its actually closer to downtown Atlanta than Hartsfield (ATL) airport is, plus it is much more General Aviation/small plane friendly.
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Yea, it has a huge number of flight ops every day, as it is the second busiest airport in GA (something like 650 flights a day). Its actually closer to downtown Atlanta than Hartsfield (ATL) airport is, plus it is much more General Aviation/small plane friendly.
PDK? Someone crashed into some townhomes yesterday after leaving there.
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Old 10-31-2019, 11:24 AM   #62457
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PDK? Someone crashed into some townhomes yesterday after leaving there.
Yep, that's the accident @Tcoat, @p1l0t and I are talking about.
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Old 10-31-2019, 11:37 AM   #62458
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PDK? Someone crashed into some townhomes yesterday after leaving there.
One of the guys was the brother of one of our managers. Not sure if he was piloting or not yet.
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Damn, I thought he was a truck driver with enthusiasm for aviation...
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I didn't get the pilots side of it unfortunately. I'm not sure if it's a limitation of liveATC or if this guy was working multiple frequencies and the Arrow was on another. Anyway here is a rough translation of the ATC side anyway. If they were both pilots and flew that route often and on an IFR plan so I assume they lost control due to either the weather and/or and instrument failure more than lack of proficiency unless they mostly flew it VFR. The controller mentions moderate precip to 56258 and does mention extreme on the frequency later on to a King Air but not sure where that was in relation. Also weather archive shows only light rain mist and not heavy until 1853EDT about 6 hours after the crash. Temp was 67F at the surface so I assume* the freezing level wasn't till about 10k ft?

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15:09: ATC "Arrow 56258 ident climb and maintain 5000"

17:43: ATC "Arrow 56258 areas of moderate precip extend for the next 10 mi eastbound on your way to AHN?"

19:22: ATC "Turn left direct AHN I'm showing you on like a 170 heading."

20:25: ATC "Are you direct AHN? About a 090 heading from where your at?"

21:25: ATC "I'm showing you southbound turn left heading 090"

21:43: ATC "Arrow 56258 roger"

21:46: ATC "Arrow 26.. Correction Arrow 56258 roger"

22:46-27:21: ATC "56258 wings level" repeated several times asked to acknowledge with an ident and then asked to acknowledge at all.


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Old 10-31-2019, 12:35 PM   #62462
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I didn't get the pilots side of it unfortunately. I'm not sure if it's a limitation of liveATC or if this guy was working multiple frequencies and the Arrow was on another. Anyway here is a rough translation of the ATC side anyway. If they were both pilots and flew that route often and on an IFR plan so I assume they lost control due to either the weather and/or and instrument failure more than lack of proficiency unless they mostly flew it VFR. The controller mentions moderate precip to 56258 and does mention extreme on the frequency later on to a King Air but not sure where that was in relation. Also weather archive shows only light rain mist and not heavy until 1853EDT about 6 hours after the crash. Temp was 67F at the surface so I assume* the freezing level wasn't till about 10k ft?

https://archive-server.liveatc.net/k...2019-1400Z.mp3

15:09: ATC "Arrow 56258 ident climb and maintain 5000"

17:43: ATC "Arrow 56258 areas of moderate precip extend for the next 10 mi eastbound on your way to AHN?"

19:22: ATC "Turn left direct AHN I'm showing you on like a 170 heading."

20:25: ATC "Are you direct AHN? About a 090 heading from where your at?"

21:25: ATC "I'm showing you southbound turn left heading 090"

21:43: ATC "Arrow 56258 roger"

21:46: ATC "Arrow 26.. Correction Arrow 56258 roger"

22:46-27:21: ATC "56258 wings level" repeated several times asked to acknowledge with an ident and then asked to acknowledge at all.


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Interesting that they appear to have stopped responding to the calls.
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Old 10-31-2019, 12:49 PM   #62464
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Interesting that they appear to have stopped responding to the calls.
Yeah I'm particularly interested in what they said around 21:30 or so. Maybe they were trying to avoid weather, maybe declared an electrical failure, or an instrument failure, a medical emergency who knows. The prelim may come with a full transcript.

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I didn't get the pilots side of it unfortunately.
My gut's in a knot listening to this. The ATC knew they went down but those guys have to keep it together. Brings back a flood of memories listening to all the action waiting in line for our turn to trap. People auger in all the time for various reasons.
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anyone else ever notice that people like this refer to "Americans" like they're not one. like they are above whatever activity they're belittling. telling isn't it.

I don't care what the "cuts" are. I said:

the fact remains that most people still get their electricity from coal and fossil fuels. fact. deal with it.
What part of how I have solar and backups and such makes it seem like I'm talking about Americans like I'm not one? What makes me sick are the people who belittle and talk about other non-conservative and non-white Americans like we're not ones. That's fucking telling.

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This also assumes it is an apocalypse that doesn't involve a nuclear winter or some other event where there is cloud cover for weeks, months, or years on end. Not sure how well solar power and batteries would have worked during the 1816 "Year without a Summer" volcano event, for example.
This is why some people have several years worth of food stored. Not me. I figure we're beyond fucked at that point.

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Oh pretty much nothing. Folks in the US have always been prepers at heart.
I think it's changed. We used to be optimistic. Back in the 60s.
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Old 10-31-2019, 01:49 PM   #62467
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I was looking at the "overhead" view on FlightAware and playing back the flight but it doesn't tell you much.

I thought maybe ADS-B Exchange might have something since that area is well covered by their open-source receivers and the information would come from the plane itself (assuming they had ADS-B Out, which I'm guessing they do). Unfortunately, they have playback turned off because of commercial interests using their gathered data without permission (this is a new development). That really sucks because I liked looking at it for my own flights even though I record the paths on FlyQ on my iPad.
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