Official: Toyota FT-1 Concept / First New Supra Prototype Spotted!

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by RIĐO

Yes. Next gen 86 is supposed to come in 2021\2022.

Where did you read that. Link to source?

[RIĐO]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Where did you read that. Link to source?

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20.../#.W1M1oiORCJ1

[gymratter]

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/%E2...ew-supra.1345/

With an official announcement, the new Toyota Supra was last presented to the public at the Goodwood Festival of Speed in the USA and personally raced over the track by Toyota boss Tetsuya Tada.

When Toyota publishes press releases on the new Supra with increasing frequency, or watches more and more events, the official sales of the new Toyota Supra are not far off.

Agile fun car

With every event more and more details become known. Last to the engine and the model types. In addition to the 335-hp 6-series engine, there should also be a lightweight and equally turbocharged variant (B48B20) with a 4-cylinder engine from BMW. Both variants will have the ZF-8HP51HIS 8-speed automatic transmission. With these two Supra models Toyota pursues the previous concept, as it was with the previous model MK4. The GE and the more powerful GTE turbo version.

Contrary to rumors at the time of many portals and blogs, both models are to be sold normally under the Toyota brand. In fact interesting is the version sold under the sports label GR, as you already know from other models like the Yaris. However, there are no facts yet and the rumors move between hybrid propulsion and an output of over 400 hp.

Together with the engineers of the GT86, the new Supra is just as much an agile fun car as the GT86 already is. A kind of combination of old Supra and the GT86 model.

Presentation in Madrid

From 18 to 20 September, the new Supra will now be presented to the public in Europe at the Track Day event in Madrid, to which we have been invited as one of Toyota Europe's largest and oldest community. On the spot, we should not only make an impression of the (probably still veiled pre-series), but may also even drive the new Toyota Supra A90 test.

Of course, we would like to inform you about this event, of course, ask all possible questions and reports about the driving experience.

[gymratter]

The next-generation A90 Toyota Supra has made its dynamic debut in the UK. Here is all we know about the Japanese performance car...

The all-new Toyota Supra will be revealed early next year and as part of the build up to one of the most eagerly-anticipated performance car launches of the year, a disguised production model has been officially tested in public for the first time.

We’d previously seen the model testing while wearing detail-masking camouflage, and Auto Express reader Johnny Daly snapped photos of the fifth generation of the iconic sports car on UK soil in right-hand-drive form.

We already have a good idea of what to expect from the Porsche 718 Cayman rival; the GR Supra Racing Concept that was the star of the 2018 Geneva Motor Show gave us a thinly veiled glimpse at what to expect from the new coupe. It is being developed by Toyota’s Gazoo Racing performance division, but in partnership with BMW, which is basing the new Z4 on the same platform.

Speaking at the Geneva show, Supra Chief Engineer Tetsuya Tada said a front-mounted six-cylinder turbocharged engine powering the rear wheels was the configuration favoured by owners and aficionados of previous versions of the Supra. His comments tally with information recently leaked that the car would offer up 330bhp from an in-line six.

The Supra promises to be an uncompromising road car. Tada described the Supra, which has been benchmarked against the Porsche 718 Cayman and 911, as a “pure sports car”. He believes it will be “quite different” from the forthcoming BMW Z4, with which it is related. Both cars’ original concepts were visualised separately, before the common parts were defined. He said parts shared across both models will be fewer than many people imagine, and even then, many will be calibrated differently.

While the show car features an automatic transmission, he revealed that a manual gearbox is still the subject of internal discussions. He continued: “We are aware there is a huge fanbase for the previous models around the world, so we made sure to interview them to hear their expectations and opinions before we started the project.”

As a darling of the tuner scene, Tada expects the Supra to be modified by owners to their own liking – even if those modifications aren’t sourced from Toyota, Gazoo Racing or their official partners. He went as far to say that Toyota “wouldn’t interfere” where modifications are concerned as previous experience points to the kinds “appropriate” modifications owners make to their GT86s.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/toyota/...cs-and-details

[WolfpackS2k]

Wouldn't interfere? What does that even mean? They're still going to void the factory warranty if you mess with it too much.

Speaking at the Geneva show, Supra Chief Engineer Tetsuya Tada said a front-mounted six-cylinder turbocharged engine powering the rear wheels was the configuration favoured by owners and aficionados of previous versions of the Supra. His comments tally with information recently leaked that the car would offer up 330bhp from an in-line six.

If you had to survey a study group to learn that information, then Toyota may be more hopeless than I thought.

[Guff]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Wouldn't interfere? What does that even mean? They're still going to void the factory warranty if you mess with it too much.



If you had to survey a study group to learn that information, then Toyota may be more hopeless than I thought.

I believe that comment may have been specifically related to BMWs locked down DME/ECU. I've heard some things saying that there were internal discussions to make a more open engine management system so tuning was easier off the bat.

Full access to the B58 ECU happened just last week by some Russian developers. That's a long time after the cars release. Toyota/Lexus ECUs have been locked down for a while as well. We got lucky with the 86 because Subaru is more or less making open ECUs.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by RIĐO

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20.../#.W1M1oiORCJ1

No credible sources listed in that article. Sounds like clickbait to me

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

If you had to survey a study group to learn that information, then Toyota may be more hopeless than I thought.

And yet they still forget to ask about the 6 speed manual.

[WolfpackS2k]

'It will be the most fun-to-drive car in its class'

No manual transmission available. Did Tada-san say the above with a straight face???

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by Guff

We got lucky with the 86 because Subaru is more or less making open ECUs.

I thought our ECU is Toyota since the Subaru dealers use the Techstream laptop with our cars.

Toyota wanted the 86 to be tuner friendly to begin with at least inside Japan. Not so sure about this new Supra.

Using an 8 speed automatic as if this car is meant to be a lead-in for future Lexus ownership.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by krayzie

Using an 8 speed automatic as if this car is meant to be a lead-in for future Lexus ownership.

You're reading too far into this. The ZF 8HP and the 6HP before it are the only rwd transmissions BMW has been using for a long time.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

You're reading too far into this. The ZF 8HP and the 6HP before it are the only rwd transmissions BMW has been using for a long time.

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[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by krayzie

You mean BMW has no RWD manual gearbox for a long time?

Technically they're available on the 3 series and the 2 series, but not on the 6 cylinders since the F30 facelift.

Point is, the ZF 8HP is one of the only options for a RWD auto transmission these days, It's very common. even Dodge uses it.

[Guff]

Originally Posted by krayzie

I thought our ECU is Toyota since the Subaru dealers use the Techstream laptop with our cars.

Toyota wanted the 86 to be tuner friendly to begin with at least inside Japan. Not so sure about this new Supra.

Using an 8 speed automatic as if this car is meant to be a lead-in for future Lexus ownership.

While it does interface with techstream for body control configuration, the ECU encryption is pretty standard faire Subaru. Hence why Tactrix/OpenECU supported it so quickly.

New Supra has tuning in mind as well, the motor and chassis have a surprising amount of provisioning for tuners and tinkerers.