What car to get after gt86 with 2-3x the budget

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

That analogy works pretty well.

That analogy implies there's another auto manufacturer creating a superior product at a lower price point.

I can't think of anyone, can you? Sure there's faster cars per dollar, but they don't have the QC, comfort, or reliability. There are many options that can beat Porsche at one or two of the important factors (weight, agility, power, looks, etc. etc.) for the same price point, but none balance all the things that make a great car as well as they do.

Watches aren't a great analogy in this discussion, the inability of humans to break the laws of physics and a competitive market mean that all cars for the foreseeable future will land within spitting distance of each other, each with their own set of compromises to distinguish themselves.

We're not talking about products with 50% markups to play with like in the watch world.

Sent from my Seiko SNK809

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

That analogy implies there's another auto manufacturer creating a superior product at a lower price point.

No, you inferred that. That analogy makes sense in the context of describing the typical customer, not the product. That's what krayzie and yardjass were talking about.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Sent from my Seiko SNK809

You need at least a Grand Seiko to understand my Rolex analogy with the average typical Porsche customer.

Sent from my Grand Seiko SBGR001

[serialk11r]

I guess I would be "sending" from my SARB065 lol. Overpriced crap btw, the strap disintegrated in a few weeks and the hour markers have clear imperfections. That said, a Grand Seiko is indeed on my wish list. I really want the Spring Drive, but it feels rather overpriced :/

Like I pointed out, the difference with Porsche and Rolex is that Porsche offers legit performance and quality at a premium price. Everything I have heard about Rolex suggests it does not offer better craftsmanship to justify the price tag. It would be more akin to, I dunno, Mercedes Benz. MB cars feel kind of cheap until you get to the really high end models, and do not have the same level of drivetrain sophistication as similarly priced BMW.

Porsche SUVs might just be upscale Volkwagens but they do offer very sharp styling and a great interior. The sports cars are leagues beyond what BMW can muster. Like I said, what other car manufacturer uses a 72mm stroke engine with four oil scavenge pumps and oil coolers as standard on their cheapest car? If that's not track cred I don't know what is.

[Pat]

"Porsche SUVs might just be upscale Volkwagens"
Have you driven a Macan and compared it to a Tiguan or Toureg? Saying the Porsche is just an upscale VW is a joke. They are completely different experiences.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

No, you inferred that. That analogy makes sense in the context of describing the typical customer, not the product. That's what krayzie and yardjass were talking about.

Oh, who gives a shit about that?

Originally Posted by krayzie

You need at least a Grand Seiko to understand my Rolex analogy with the average typical Porsche customer.

Sent from my Grand Seiko SBGR001

No my penis is bigger!

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Oh, who gives a shit about that?

lol

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

No my penis is bigger!

I'm sure Nick Murray agrees with you 100% on Porsche.

Just google up Grand Seiko vs Rolex.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by krayzie

Just google up Grand Seiko vs Rolex.

Woosh.

Don't worry buddy, I did my googling long ago.

And now that I understand the 'context' of your 'analogy' I don't give two shits, equate Porsche to Rolex all you want. Don't forget to add in BMW, Audi, and Lexus next time you post it.



Edit: Oh that guy, hehe, that was a total shitshow. Hope he's happy with whatever he ended up getting instead. Quick, lets reference all the blown up 86's and shit all over that too.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Re_Invention

Bingo regarding the 370z taking the entry sports coupe position. Porsche has recently gone on record saying (which can change tomorrow) they won't consider anything below the Boxster, $60k+ OTD, at the moment. And that makes sense given the size of production, consumer demands and profit margins. They are so immensely profitable because they get away with charging so much for their products. It isn't that their plastic or metal is 100% more expensive than Toyota's. Why sacrifice margin at current production volume for a gamble risk to recapture end of year profits with greater volume and investment of infrastructure. Suggesting that is living with blinders on because they will reserve that for Macan lifestyle vehicles! hahah!

No one needs to appeal to a market that isn't profitable, a few griping enthusiasts on forums (which frankly always turn out to be a marginal group of buyers anyway) across the world aren't the average consumer. They [we] are the 1%!

Porsche can only maintain their insanely high profit margins on their sports cars. Because they are offering a product that few, if any other car makers, can match. The 911 and Cayman/Boxster are fairly unique. As SUV sales have increased at Porsche their overall profit margins have gone down sharply. This is because, while excellent, the Macan & Cayenne are still quite similar to SUVs offered by other high end car makers.

Originally Posted by serialk11r

The problem with the 370Z is that it's mysteriously heavy (how did they manage to make it 300lbs heavier than a Porsche?), and has bad brakes, so it's not popular among the performance crowd. It doesn't have the right badge and IMO styling to appeal to a more premium market.

The 370Z shares it's platform with the Infiniti G sedan and FX SUVs. Nothing super mysterious about that weight now!

Originally Posted by ajh88

Porsches are like BMWs in that you have to get up into the GT3/4 or M range to see what the fuss is all about. The base models need modifications (louder, stiffer, faster) to get any kind of wow factor and the performance divisions do that from the factory.

Oh come on man, that's patently false. Until the recent past I would have said that any S (or higher) level 911/Cayman/Boxster is "what the fuss is all about". But with their latest powertrain updates that extends to literally all their sports cars (even if the flat 4s are a bit rough about it).



Going back to the OP...

My advice would be a 6 cylinder (981 or newer) Cayman GT4 or 981 Cayman GTS. Porsches are extremely reliable vehicles (http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...j-d-power-says), they're also constantly ranked at or near the top of long term reliability rankings, and if you're handy with a wrench you can avoid most dealership type work. They're head and shoulders above similarly priced German cars from BMW, MB or Audi in build quality and reliability. Also practical with 2 trunks. Someone mentioned golf bags. My Cayman can hold 2 soft golf backs in the rear hatch easily.





And if the OP is more of an ax over scalpel type of person, then 5th Gen Viper is the way to go!

[ajh88]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Oh come on man, that's patently false. Until the recent past I would have said that any S (or higher) level 911/Cayman/Boxster is "what the fuss is all about". But with their latest powertrain updates that extends to literally all their sports cars (even if the flat 4s are a bit rough about it).

Different strokes man. I spent a day in some Colorado canyons with my friends 09 Cayman S and while I enjoyed it, the experience in stock form for the money (40k?), not one virtue of the car blew me away. On the street it was pretty good at everything but I thought it needed more racecar bits and certainly shorter gearing.

[Pat]

I see you're in Pittsburgh. Are you comparing the Caman's competition in PA to the Cayman at high altitude? That could have a lot to do with it.

[ajh88]

Originally Posted by Pat

I see you're in Pittsburgh. Are you comparing the Caman's competition in PA to the Cayman at high altitude? That could have a lot to do with it.

Could be. This was in Colorado Springs. Still I longed for headers, exhaust, and coilovers on the thing.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by ajh88

Could be. This was in Colorado Springs. Still I longed for headers, exhaust, and coilovers on the thing.

And what car, in your opinion, doesn't need those things?