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Yes, maybe people just want their car to be faster in between the turns, because that's fun to them... Ever think that maybe people aren't interested in ANY trophies whatsoever? Maybe they just want to drive their car at the track and are tired of coming out of a turn behind cars with twice the power output and feeling epically helpless watching the car walk away from them. When people ask questions about adding FI (aka - legitimate increases in power), THAT'S what they want answers for. They don't want to hear about your cool stories and how rewarding you find it to beat higher powered cars in an old BMW... Save those stories for the next time someone asks you about your old BMW. Some people want their CARS to be faster (note: CAR, no mention of the driver, no need spew old cliche's about the 'driver mod'). Quit pooing on others party because its not how you think they should go about it. GTFover it. /endrant
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I respect people's opinions and trust their judgement (please don't get me wrong I don't mean to say you don't ) and think that if they believe they need more power maybe because they simply need more power, how do we know that the BRZ is his first car that is used at the track what if the guy owned many fast cars in past? Giving the same advice to everyone on these online discussion forums is little awkward IMHO because one size doesn't fit all.. Speaking of Miata or Corvette, they are not better sports car because they fit "classical the definition of 2 seats sports car" but because they are designed to perform from scratch (chassis, double wishbone setup, low CG, aero aspects..etc) I've run into very similar issue with my Evo X GSR.. no matter what kind of superior AWD technology it provides and no matter what I did, it was still a Lancer 4 door econobox platform... and suspension parts, more power, better tires and brakes are band aid fixes same applies to BMWs ( for the record I also owned many Bimmers in the past as well as other European cars since that's where I am originally from )
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King Tut is right, I think you missed my point. you keep going back to comparing the machines, and my point was clearly about driving skill, irrespective of the machines. You keep going back and making your same point over and over, without clearly attempting to understand Tut's or my point. I could try to re-explain what I was saying, but I think I wrote it in a manner that clearly described it and it might be a waste of my time to write it again in different words. (not trying to be offensive, I respect your time and mine equally) Your points make sense and are salient, but I think the real fun and goal is to find the edge of your machine, not to raise the edge and comfortably live within it's limits. You're not learning much if you just increase the total threshold all the time without getting closer to that threshold and learning the ins and outs of it. Yeah you drive the car harder, but isn't that the point of tracking a car and getting intimate with it?
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And again, you're injecting what you enjoy about the track and want from a track car and track experience. That's not what this thread is for or about.
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So because you felt that the conversation was old and stale, that makes it ok to simply steer it into a completely different direction? Not saying you were the one who initially did so, but that's your take on it? If you find the conversation stale, don't participate. This has hardly been another 5 pages of regurgitated turbocharger versus supercharger discussion. There has also been a wealth of information sharing and ideas regarding controlling heat for track use, which is directly inline with what the OP asked for. And in regards to the rehashed debating about turbochargers and superchargers: Isn't that exactly what you'd expect to see when the OP asked: Quote:
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Not to derail this thread any further but I can see the points of both the leave-it-alone- driver-over-power camp as well as the just-want-a-bit-more-power camps.
This car is plenty fast on track even N/A and with some choice suspension mods and a good driver it is certainly capable of reeling in more powerful cars depending on the track and the skill level of the other drivers. No denying it's great fun hunting down the odd Bimmer, S2K, Porsche, Vette in this car with just a stock motor but it's hard not to notice that this car's pretty flat footed on the straights compared to most other cars out there. You can try to minimize power gaps by nailing perfect corner exits and it's certainly rewarding when you get it right but it's still a bit annoying whenever some other car that you're all over in the bends can simply walk away on the straights. At times like that it's easy to wonder what this car would be like with a bit more power under the hood, and what would be the right way to go about it, which is all I think the OP wants to know more about. Pretty sure he's not the only one wondering about this stuff either. I'm guessing that both supercharger and turbo serums could be made to work well but it'd be nice to know more about the hows and whys of various options. I've got the Robispec radiator setup already and was very keen on the 'factory tune' JRSC as a good option until I learned that I'd need a custom tune with it due to my high flow cat (as opposed to stock cats) exhaust. Since that puts a custom tune on the table I'm inclined to consider the AVO kit as well, since my local tuner has quite a bit of experience with those. The cheaper and least complicated option to not mess with it and just suck it up on the straights has obvious merits too, but one can't help but wonder 'what if'. :P
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The most important misconception is "slower and lesser car makes you a better driver", No, I wasn't trying to hijack the thread at that time it was already out of topic and even worse, was about to become another boring, misleading thread. And often times people think they are not understood enough so it should be because the other side is not getting the point. I know exactly what you guys are talking about I just don't agree with them, that's all
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