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You can rip out anything you like to any car that's not the point. [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7nKt1NFsCA"]We Just Drove The Stripped-Out Volkswagen Diesel - YouTube[/ame] |
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This asshole still own his fucked up car?
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I think the FR-S is basically a Lexus haha. Still, could be worse. I saw this guy at Laguna Seca who daily drives an RX8 with no interior, no HVAC, no rear seats, no insulation, no airbag, fixed rear doors, and plastic windows that don't go down. Heat is provided in ample quantities in all seasons by the transmission and exhaust heat coming through the floor pan. I guess that VW is next level compared to that though lol. Last edited by serialk11r; 01-29-2017 at 04:14 PM. |
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I have the same reference based on all of my previous cars.
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The twins are probably screwed together much better than the average German car.
I'm rocking an old Lexus RX300 Sport Edition this winter and sometimes I can't even determine whether or not the engine started I have to check the tach, can't hear a thing until I hit redline and smooth AF still with 260,000km+ Golf GTI and Jetta GLI have been so quiet with the windows up after Mk2 that all I can hear are creaks and rattles from the interior, gotten too upscaled imo. Honda still got some way to go until they get back to this level of sports car design. [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUEU4EnPaEg"]Honda S2000 Type S 試車å*±å‘Š 15mins - YouTube[/ame] |
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Looking at the NSX frame, I wonder if they can recycle some of the cast parts to make a cheaper car, maybe swap some of the aluminum bits for steel to save money. It looks like there are a lot of extrusions that are fixed to the castings, so you could just swap in some shorter steel extrusions or something. Mild steel stampings instead of aluminum and carbon fiber would save money too. Of course, it would be okay if they figured out how to keep the aluminum for a reasonable price too It would be cool if they shrank the wheelbase from 104" to around 97" ish, then shrank the track width to 60", and then swap out the V6 with an I4, and ditch the SH-AWD hybrid stuff at the front to save money. Basically a CR-Z with the correct wheels being driven, and preferably more horsepower (though like I have said, I am happy to spend money on a supercharger as long as they put the engine in the back). If the car has rear weight bias, you get pretty good grip without the AWD. Last edited by serialk11r; 01-29-2017 at 09:00 PM. |
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That 9 grand is more like 12 now inflation adjusted and those two cars were not in the same price category. That's almost as bad as saying the Focus RS and C7 Corvette are price competitors just because some dealers were marking the Ford up above 50 grand with "gotta have it first" tax when it was newly released and a few stupid idiots were actually willing to pay it. |
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Agree, it wouldn't surprise me if an S2000 replacement never even reached the US. Just don't seem to have a market here for lightweight RWD sports cars sadly.
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http://blog.caranddriver.com/more-de...s2000-revival/ TLDR - Two stage electric boosting system; electronically driven supercharger, conventional turbocharger. Longitudinally mounted 2 liter inline 4 making 320+ horsepower with an 8 speed DCT transaxle with a sticker north of $50,000. sure I agree - minimal market space for an affordable roadster and virtually no market for a shift it yourself non-numbers car without the latest and greatest. And in today's day and age it doesn't make sense to develop anything bespoke outside of halo cars. The Fiata, Twins, Supra, et al are proving the best financial case forward is shared development. It's a grass is greener argument though in lieu of sportsters, roadsters and generally fun flickable lightweight sports cars we have no ending supply of 500+ horsepower minivans, SUV's, trucks and Enterprise rentals. Not that I'm complaining! |
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What I have noticed in the Bay Area at least is that the people who do buy an FRS or BRZ have a tendency to pour thousands in upgrades into their cars. Only now that some of the high mileage cars are getting closer to the 10k mark rather than the 20k mark is it becoming an "accessible" and "cheap" sports car for the enthusiast lacking money. Another thing I noticed is that there are way way more Limited BRZs than Premium. The way I see it, 25k must not be a good price point for a sports car these days. You either have enough money to stretch the budget to 30-40k, or you can't afford a new car in the first place. Maybe if Honda tries to make a "budget Porsche", slotting it in where the S2000 was (not exactly a cheap sports car, but less money than a Corvette or Porsche), giving it a relatively premium feel and higher grade components, that would be a good seller. A 35k car would have more of that luxury cachet and performance, while still being in range of the people who buy twins, Miatas, WRXs, etc. Give it a slightly spiced up run of the mill 4 cylinder engine to save money, but give it some faux leather, nice looking buttons, bits of aluminum here and there for weight savings, etc. I can tolerate if they make it a soft top to help sales, I'll just throw the latches away and bolt a hard top on. I personally would have wanted a nicer interior for the twins, and a lot of enthusiasts I met felt like the car was too slow, so if you improve those two areas the demand might be better. |
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Bingo regarding the 370z taking the entry sports coupe position. Porsche has recently gone on record saying (which can change tomorrow) they won't consider anything below the Boxster, $60k+ OTD, at the moment. And that makes sense given the size of production, consumer demands and profit margins. They are so immensely profitable because they get away with charging so much for their products. It isn't that their plastic or metal is 100% more expensive than Toyota's. Why sacrifice margin at current production volume for a gamble risk to recapture end of year profits with greater volume and investment of infrastructure. Suggesting that is living with blinders on because they will reserve that for Macan lifestyle vehicles! hahah! No one needs to appeal to a market that isn't profitable, a few griping enthusiasts on forums (which frankly always turn out to be a marginal group of buyers anyway) across the world aren't the average consumer. They [we] are the 1%! |
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