Drove a Turbo BRZ today

[bfrank1972]

I think our cars stock are as fast as something like a 69 Chevelle SS 396. Seriously you guys talk about these cars like they are slower than a 80's Corolla. And they're definitely faster than the older Miatas. And mine is faster than my wife's "peppy" 295 hp highlander, though I have a header and tune so that helps a bit. Plenty of power for spirited street/canyon driving. It's about the engagement this car offers. A new Camaro will outstrip and "out corner" a stock 86, but will feel very different doing it. Can't believe this topic is still being discussed

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[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

I think our cars stock are as fast as something like a 69 Chevelle SS 396. Seriously you guys talk about these cars like they are slower than a 80's Corolla. And they're definitely faster than the older Miatas. And mine is faster than my wife's "peppy" 295 hp highlander, though I have a header and tune so that helps a bit. Plenty of power for spirited street/canyon driving. It's about the engagement this car offers. A new Camaro will outstrip and "out corner" a stock 86, but will feel very different doing it. Can't believe this topic is still being discussed

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^^Exactly

0-60 in 3.1 seconds in like premature ejaculation! It's costs a fortune too.

There's something to be said for enjoying the ride!

I can see why more power would be desirable but it's not for everyone.

[bcj]

The AC sport car as sold in the UK was in a similar situation as far as I can see.
Then Shelby got hold of a few to modify with beefier power distribution.

If someone does similar with the 86 chassis, more power to them.
Doesn't mean I could afford even a 286 Cobra.

A spitfire is OK with me.

[Sapphireho]

I drove a supercharged FR-S today. Was super fun.

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

It's got nothing to do with doing the right thing, the car is screaming for more power, it's just a pity that the drivetrain and powerplant are inherently weak.

Sure, if you drive around getting on and off the gas for short pulls you might be fine, but from my experience and research, when you track them or up the power to much it's just a matter of time before you lunch something.

Hell, cars in the local T86RS are eating engines and gearboxes with only a exhaust and tune.

The video???what point???

Apart from being auto , and the batman thing , it's just another boosted 86 isn't it, or has it got a built motor and something special about it, a bolt on SC and a theme is not what I call special.

Opinions may vary.

Meanwhile...........

- Drivetrain and powerplant are not inherently weak.
- If FI is done right, this car goes to track and wins with stock powerplant. Check Jackson Racing and speedacademy
- There is nothing wrong with automatic. That is your opinion.
- Opinions vary but facts don't.

I just posted to add the facts for others. You can continue people. I am done.

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by mrg666

- Drivetrain and powerplant are not inherently weak.
- If FI is done right, this car goes to track and wins with stock powerplant. Check Jackson Racing and speedacademy
- There is nothing wrong with automatic. That is your opinion.
- Opinions vary but facts don't.

I just posted to add the facts for others. You can continue people. I am done.

Those facts will be of comfort to the people swapping boxes out and/or finding windows in their blocks from broken rods.

Or is that just happening around here?

Anyways, enjoy your car.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

I think our cars stock are as fast as something like a 69 Chevelle SS 396. Seriously you guys talk about these cars like they are slower than a 80's Corolla. And they're definitely faster than the older Miatas. And mine is faster than my wife's "peppy" 295 hp highlander, though I have a header and tune so that helps a bit. Plenty of power for spirited street/canyon driving. It's about the engagement this car offers. A new Camaro will outstrip and "out corner" a stock 86, but will feel very different doing it. Can't believe this topic is still being discussed

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Most 86's will have a very hard time pulling on a miata, even in a straight line

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Most 86's will have a very hard time pulling on a miata, even in a straight line

A stock 86 hangs with an ND Miata 0-60, provided they're on equivalent tires. The Miata comes with Potenza S001 tires, max performance summers, which are 3 performance categories above the BRZ's primacies which are Grand touring summers (Grand touring < High performance < Ultra high performance < Max performance).

Car and Driver clocked the BRZ going 14.9 at 95.5 MPH through the 1/4 mile.
They did 14.8 at 93 MPH in the ND Miata.
The 2019 Miata does 14.5 at 95MPH.

This means the BRZ is once again let down by the damn primacy tires, as the higher trap speed indicates it's faster than the Miata. Even the new 190hp Miata is only just as fast as a stock BRZ, provided the BRZ can launch as well. At higher speeds the BRZ walks on the original ND.

[Lantanafrs2]

In the real world, 2 tenths is hard to notice if not impossible. The 86 power band is the issue as the miatas delivery will make it feel quicker and livelier even when it measures slower.

[HKz]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

In the real world, 2 tenths is hard to notice if not impossible. The 86 power band is the issue as the miatas delivery will make it feel quicker and livelier even when it measures slower.

only because the ND Miata had a better torque/weight ratio than the twins, but to me the twins still felt faster at peak power. Granted I haven't driven the new ND which now has both better HP/weight & torque/weight ratio over the twins..but either way, IMO the 86 still wins here because you can take out a lot of the interior stuff to make the twins as unpractical/noisy as a Miata and end up with a better power/weight ratio.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

A stock 86 hangs with an ND Miata 0-60, provided they're on equivalent tires. The Miata comes with Potenza S001 tires, max performance summers, which are 3 performance categories above the BRZ's primacies which are Grand touring summers (Grand touring < High performance < Ultra high performance < Max performance).

Car and Driver clocked the BRZ going 14.9 at 95.5 MPH through the 1/4 mile.
They did 14.8 at 93 MPH in the ND Miata.
The 2019 Miata does 14.5 at 95MPH.

This means the BRZ is once again let down by the damn primacy tires, as the higher trap speed indicates it's faster than the Miata. Even the new 190hp Miata is only just as fast as a stock BRZ, provided the BRZ can launch as well. At higher speeds the BRZ walks on the original ND.

You forgot the context of my statement. We're not debating if one is faster than the other, but rather, the rate at which the BRZ pulls on a miata.

If you did a 60 roll, you'd quite literally, barely be pulling on a miata.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

You forgot the context of my statement. We're not debating if one is faster than the other, but rather, the rate at which the BRZ pulls on a miata.



If you did a 60 roll, you'd quite literally, barely be pulling on a miata.

Fair enough, but you're saying that like the Miata is still slow. It's not like we're comparing it to a 1.6 NA.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Fair enough, but you're saying that like the Miata is still slow. It's not like we're comparing it to a 1.6 NA.

Actually, I am!

It only gets worse when you see a bolted-on 1.6L on ethanol and a megasquirt.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Actually, I am!

It only gets worse when you see a bolted-on 1.6L on ethanol and a megasquirt.

Well then

Guess it all depends on perspective. I'm still of the mindset that a stock NA is a quick car, but that probably has to do with growing up in Europe in the 90s and 100hp being a big deal then lol