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04-26-2012, 11:48 AM | #1 |
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FR-S Gear Ratio Comparison
FR-S Gear Ratio Comparison
____AT ___MT __# differenc _% difference 1 _3.626 __3.538 __0.088 ____2% 2 _2.188 __2.06 ___0.128 ____6% 3 _1.541 __1.404 __0.137 ____10% 4 _1.213 __1 ______0.213 ____21% 5 _1 ______0.713 __0.287 ____40% 6 _0.767 __0.582 __0.185 ____32% R _3.437 __3.168 __0.269 ____8% Did they make the AT ratios higher so it would not be significantly faster than the MT cars? |
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Final drives are the same.
I think it has been mentioned here that all Toyota AT have 4th as 1:1 and all manuals have 5th as 1:1 so the auto will be much longer geared unless they shorten the final drive. as the manual runs a 4.1:1 final drive then it would be difficult for the auto to be much shorter. the long gearing of the auto is one of the main reasons (along with the less than sonorous engine) that the BRZ got such a savaging by EVO. |
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After seeing those ratio's I understood why the AT got better fuel mileage than the MT. It's weird seeing a six speed with only one overdriven gear though. Usually the 1 to 1 hits in fourth, and fifth/sixth are overdriven.
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04-26-2012, 12:53 PM | #5 |
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I think you got it backwards... but yeah... it's a bit dissapointing that the gears are so much taller on the autos.
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you got your mt and at mixed up.
they made closer gear ratios on mt on purpose for faster acceleraton iirc.. most mts have closer gears than their ats though. |
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yeah the auto would be much faster than the manual is they had the same ratios, you just cant beat the autos lightning fast shift times
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Here's a question: I want to do a 6th gear swap. Would other cars with AZ6 trannys qualify as donors (ie S2K or miata)?? Or is there some minor difference tht would prevent it from happening?
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the parts are different but the parts should align just the same... i personally want shorter gear ratios in the auto, but at the same time i dont, i will be going supercharged and the longer ratios would be fine, i dont want to be shifting too much
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If you're hardcore about saving gas, you can pulse and glide it, but it's obviously 10 times easier to just have a longer gear. Maybe in a future model... |
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IMO, cars with AT are normally heavier and have more drivetrain loss than MT so with higher ratios, it will compensate the difference but I don`t think the AT can be any quicker than the MT. |
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With the 4.1 final drive and the ratios the way they are in the TL70 (6MT), it will be a very close ratio overall setup. That's what you really need to be comparing when you're looking at other models, overall ratio. Just looking at the transmission doesn't tell you much, you need to include final drive. Obviously on the Zx6 they're all 4.1 in North America, so there's no need there, I'm just saying. Jeff
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See post 31 for an updated graph!!
Last edited by 3MI Racing; 12-10-2012 at 02:00 PM. |
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