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Old 01-14-2015, 11:15 PM   #1
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Don't lift on a NSX

Interesting perspective from an ex automotive editor for Car & Driver.

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I have never driven an NSX but I did drive the Car and Driver test loop in Hocking Hills in my MR-S. My son was with me in his FR-S. It was a good day of driving but I can certainly understand how you can get in serious trouble there if you are not careful. Interesting video. I guess the new NSX will have little in common with the original due to the weight, sophistication and drivetrain.
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Old 01-14-2015, 11:44 PM   #3
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Years ago, I wrote a letter to CD that got published. Something about being the only one who imagined him in a bikini filled with his giant csabas. My brush with automotive fame.

And the NSX is meh.
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Worth posting the article for the background info it provides:

http://jalopnik.com/how-car-and-driv...ars-1679357347
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And the NSX is meh.
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Why? Thats his opinion. I think many share it. It's design is old and the excitement is basically 0 from everyone I've spoken with about it.
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Lift off oversteer... Ask me how I know.
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Why? Thats his opinion. I think many share it. It's design is old and the excitement is basically 0 from everyone I've spoken with about it.
Bashes somebody else's opinion by justifying it with their own opinion. Ah the circle of life.
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Really? Compared to the competition, it was great for a couple years. However, the car was improved so slowly that soon everybody else had passed it by and then some. There are just too many other better cars with better motors and better performance and more passion.
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The FR-S will also lift-throttle oversteer. There's a corner at my local track that sounds very similar to the turn he's describing, with a crest just before the apex. I usually do a small lift there to get the car rotated and the rear steps out nicely.

I was under the impression that a lot of RWD sports cars will do the same, but from the interview, he makes it sound like the 90's Viper, 911, Espirit, etc. won't. Interesting.
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What a neat article! Very interesting to know that back story.

Personally though, I think I'm all done with mid-engine cars. My little '92 MR2 was downright scary to drive hard, especially in the damp. It just had so little margin for error, and it sounds like that's just typical of the engine layout. My buddy had the same problem with a modified X1-9 that he used to auto-x.

I'm really convinced that what makes a car fun to drive isn't how well it sticks to the road, or how fast it goes, but rather, how consistent it performs at the limit. I'd rather be able to drift a car with reckless abandon without going into a spin. So far, only the FR-S and my little 2000lb Fiat on new suspension and tires could do that. Those mid-engine cars sure do look good though...

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I love the nice sound of the nsx engine at 9k rpms
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Lift oversteer? You're going into the corner fast, on the throttle. You're close to or at the limit on the rear. You abruptly lift the throttle. Weight shifts forward. The front gets more grip. The rear gets less grip. The rear slides.

With a mid-engine or rear engine car, the weight in the back wants to be in the front of the car, so that breaking loose is faster and more violent. You're less stable through the corner.

With a front-engine car, the weight is in the front so the back doesn't want to come around so badly unless you really lose it in the corner.

This is why drifting is easier in a front-engined car. It's also why mid-engine cars have more performance potential. They can rotate quicker. They can also get on the throttle quicker. There's just less room for error.

Nowadays, with fancy computers and differentials, the car can save your ass, adding power where you're not requesting it, braking where you're not requesting it, to keep the car from oversteering and instead following your steering input. See a GTR.

This is also why so many people love older Porsches. You really have to pay attention to get it right. When you do get it right, you can go impressively fast. But that danger is always there. The car is always trying to spin. And the older Porsches don't have the nannies to help you.
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