Best place to get a brand new engine? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

kev0 · 04-23-2019, 02:06 AM

I'm planning on keeping my 86 forever. It'll sit in the garage for a long time if I have to.

I accept the fact that the engine will eventually give out, although stock. Where will be the best place for me to purchase a brand new engine besides the dealership? I heard that I can get a new IAG FA20 short block but those are intended for FI'd vehicles. Will it work if I'm not FI'd? Would I need a short block AND a long block or will the short block do just fine?

MrDinkleman · 04-23-2019, 02:47 AM

Way 'back in the day" before "crate engines" became so readily available, people used to say that a "seasoned" used engine, properly remanufactured/rebuilt was better than buying a new engine over-the-counter at your local Chevy/Ford/Mopar dealer. Don't know if that was true then or now, though. Maybe buy a used engine now, rebuild it, and then seal it up for future use?

A "short block" is generally just the block with internals. A "long blick" usually means the short block with head(s) including the valve train.

86MLR · 04-23-2019, 03:28 AM

"Built" motors tend to not last as long as OEM, because tolerances.

If staying NA just wait till it is tired at ???, 000 miles and rebuild to OEM spec with OEM parts.

I wish I had a dollar for every claim of, "I'm going to keep this car forever", which was then sold a few years later.

I'd have lots of dollars......

NARFALICIOUS · 04-23-2019, 03:30 AM

Why new?
It would be a better use of your money to get a used engine and rebuild it.

Even if money is no issue, pay for it to get rebuilt to your liking by a reputable shop.

btw if it's not from Toyota, you're likely not getting new anyways.

I just checked online, and full engine assembly is no longer available - https://parts.toyota.com/a/Scion_201...4410-1101.html

only short block - https://parts.toyota.com/a/Scion_201...4410-1102.html

churchx · 04-23-2019, 04:03 AM

Maybe full engine not available because replaced with newer one as in 2016-?

86MLR · 04-23-2019, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by churchx

Maybe full engine not available because replaced with newer one as in 2016-?

$23,464.28

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jcw99 · 04-23-2019, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kev0

I'm planning on keeping my 86 forever. It'll sit in the garage for a long time if I have to.

I accept the fact that the engine will eventually give out, although stock. Where will be the best place for me to purchase a brand new engine besides the dealership? I heard that I can get a new IAG FA20 short block but those are intended for FI'd vehicles. Will it work if I'm not FI'd? Would I need a short block AND a long block or will the short block do just fine?

Give them a call and ask for John - he's very helpful, and their service is great. They have customers from all over the place - I saw a review on a tune done there written by a guy from Illinois. Luckily for me, I'm only 35 miles from them.

JD001 · 04-23-2019, 09:57 AM

Why not buy another Twin to keep it company in your garage? You can butcher one to keep the other one healthy, much like organ donation.

Fill the engine with oil, stick it on axle stands and invest in a carcoon cover...

the new guy · 04-23-2019, 12:45 PM

car-part.com for engines pulled out of wrecked vehicles would be your option for used. A proper salvage yard will verify its running, test compression, and refund a core charge if you sent a bad one back.

maslin · 04-23-2019, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NARFALICIOUS

btw if it's not from Toyota, you're likely not getting new anyways.

Even from Toyota it's almost guaranteed to be a reman. Our reman engines are well under $10k. New they're closer to $40k.

Nearly everything of significant value is remanufactured these days, even from the dealer.

Lantanafrs2 · 04-23-2019, 05:34 PM

By the time your car needs a motor you probably won't even remember this forum. Relax lol

Lantanafrs2 · 04-23-2019, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by maslin

Even from Toyota it's almost guaranteed to be a reman. Our reman engines are well under $10k. New they're closer to $40k.

Nearly everything of significant value is remanufactured these days, even from the dealer.

40k for an fa20? No way

86MLR · 04-23-2019, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

40k for an fa20? No way

It comes with a complete car to aid in moving the engine

maslin · 04-23-2019, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

40k for an fa20? No way

Mercedes. I put a $60k engine in a $65k car a few years back

04-23-2019, 02:06 AM	#1
kev0 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Drives: '14 Location: Midwest Posts: 485 Thanks: 246 Thanked 99 Times in 76 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Best place to get a brand new engine? I'm planning on keeping my 86 forever. It'll sit in the garage for a long time if I have to. I accept the fact that the engine will eventually give out, although stock. Where will be the best place for me to purchase a brand new engine besides the dealership? I heard that I can get a new IAG FA20 short block but those are intended for FI'd vehicles. Will it work if I'm not FI'd? Would I need a short block AND a long block or will the short block do just fine?

04-23-2019, 03:28 AM	#3
86MLR Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Drives: 2002 VX Commodore SS LS1 Auto Location: Sydney Posts: 2,203 Thanks: 500 Thanked 2,185 Times in 1,111 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	"Built" motors tend to not last as long as OEM, because tolerances. If staying NA just wait till it is tired at ???, 000 miles and rebuild to OEM spec with OEM parts. I wish I had a dollar for every claim of, "I'm going to keep this car forever", which was then sold a few years later. I'd have lots of dollars...... __________________ Disclaimer: This post represents the official views of the voices in my head at the time of posting. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133311 I'm only here for the biscuits

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NARFALICIOUS Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Drives: '88 Supra 1JZ, '16 FR-S, '23 GR86 Location: Johto Region Posts: 597 Thanks: 62 Thanked 360 Times in 206 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Why new? It would be a better use of your money to get a used engine and rebuild it. Even if money is no issue, pay for it to get rebuilt to your liking by a reputable shop. btw if it's not from Toyota, you're likely not getting new anyways. I just checked online, and full engine assembly is no longer available - https://parts.toyota.com/a/Scion_201...4410-1101.html only short block - https://parts.toyota.com/a/Scion_201...4410-1102.html __________________ NARFALICIOUS Noob Poster 1988 \| 2016

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the new guy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: 2014 Asphalt FR-S/2018 Thunder GT Location: Fairfax Posts: 618 Thanks: 199 Thanked 254 Times in 178 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	car-part.com for engines pulled out of wrecked vehicles would be your option for used. A proper salvage yard will verify its running, test compression, and refund a core charge if you sent a bad one back. __________________ 2014 FRS: Sold 2018 Thunder GT: RCE Superstreet 1 Coilovers, HKS HI-POWER SPEC L CATBACK, WedsSport TC105n 18x8

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